The Immigration Protests

The entire argument of the pro-illegal immigration side boils down to that because these people are poor, not white, and do low-wage jobs that the law doesn't apply to them. Anyone who suggests otherwise is portrayed at the very least as a racist.

Everytime I read a newspaper paper article or watch a TV program on the subject, the pro-illegal immigration side never wants to acknowledge the fact that these people are breaking the law. What it all suggests to me is that they only want one thing - a completely open border with no restrictions on anyone who crosses in any way, shape, or form.

Never before have I seen such blatant disregard of the laws of this nation by its own citizens who sit here and defend criminals.

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It won't happen during a Democratic Congress either. Let's be intellectually honest here.

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It takes a hell of a long time to come here legally.

What difference does that make? If they really wanted to be American citizens, they'd go through the process regardless of how long it took. But they don't and they seek to circumvent the system by demanding things of our government when they have shown blatant disrespect to that government's laws.

These people are criminals, nothing more, nothing less.

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They do obey our laws

Y'know, except the ones about entering and working in the country illegally.

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It's honest work because it is done with the intent of a greater good and survival through something other than stealing or murdering.

You know, defrauding American taxpayers is a form of theft, gukarma. This is exactly what your beloved illegal immigrants are guilty of.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Of course, if you'd actually read what you quoted, you wouldn't have said what you said.

Plus, how old are you? If you're a teenager or in your early 20s still in school, then of course you would be working for $6.75/hr because that's pretty much the only place people your age get hired because you have no real marketable skills yet.

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While I'm of the belief that everything that you just said is nothing more than the rantings of someone who doesn't know what they are talking about, I couldn't let this statement pass:

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And wether or not u like it this country was founded on Illegal Immigration

How was the United States founded on illegal immigration? Anyone who answers this needs to think over their answer very carefully or else look like a damned idiot.

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But Simply i dont think some old rich men on Capitol Hill have the right to Make Criminals, Felon status criminals at that for people Trying to better their lives. DO You?

Not only do I think they have the right, I think they have the obligation. No matter what justification you can come up with, these people are breaking the law. This makes them criminals. The United States is a nation based on the rule of law and if you willingly let people disregard the law, for whatever reason, then the very foundation of this nation is meaningless.

What is at issue here isn't whether or not these people work hard or the fact that they are Mexican or whatever; the issue at hand is that these people are breaking the laws of the United States. To give these people a pass or amnesty is encouraging others to blatantly disregard the laws of the United States.

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Problem is people would never part with thier wealth - People honestly believe they are entitled to more than others - Granted a Doctor should not make the same wage as a Janitor, But shouldnt there be a line where one says i Have way too much maybe it would be better spent on others.

Who decides what is 'way too much?' The government? How about we just confiscate all income over the amount the government decides is required for a household to maintain itself?

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It'd require amending the Constitution, which is never an easy task to do.

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This is why almost everyone who is in favor of deporting the people who are breaking our laws is also in favor of constructing a wall and troops on the border that makes it hard for people to come back across the border en masse (exactly what Mexico does on its southern border).

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Actually, yes.

Of course, you don't need 100,000 troops on the border - 10-15,000 is a more realistic figure.

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And yet whether they underpay or overpay their taxes is irrelevant to the issue at hand - they are still here illegally and should be deported.

I was speaking idiomatically.

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Furthermore, I don't remember any of the European settlers signing documents or filing paper-work with the natives that had inhabited this land for about 20,000 years before their arrival.

What does this have to do with anything? The United States didn't exist then, it does now, and as such, it has laws against what these people are doing.

With that said, I got no problem if the law was changed to make it easier to come to America legally, but as it stands, you know how I am about people actually following the law. If the law stays as it is, then these people should be booted out and should never receive any kind of benefit or incentive to stay because they are indeed criminals. Without the rule of law everything in the Constitution is meaningless.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Y'know, it's shit like this that almost makes me wish that we bombed the living shit out of Mexico instead of Iraq.

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I don't consider this to be immigration reform at all:

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1. Citizenship rights for invaders already here two years or longer.
2. Amnesty for employers who have hired illegals.
3. Allow illegal aliens to collect Social Security
4. Allow 2 million new "immigrants" into the country every year.
5. 370 miles of fencing.

I mean, why do we have to have this so-called 'comprehensive reform'? Why can't we lock down the border first then work on a guest worker program? It only seems logical. If the pipes in the house burst and are flooding your house, you logically try to stop the flow of water from the pipes before you try and repair the damage. So why not stop the flow of illegal immigrants before implementing a guest worker program? Why are some of you so adamantly against following the most logical solution to the problem? Why do some of you have such a blatant disregard for the laws of this country?

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As absurd as it sounds - yes.

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Please note that it's not like they aren't going to patrol the boarder, and from everything I've heard lately it's going to be done with more vigor than before. So you are working to stem the illegal immigrants (or invaders if you rather), while making efforts to assimilate and accept those who are already there for 2+years. It's not as dramatic or satisfying (to some) as kicking out millions of people and scrambling to fill the positions they've held.

The point here is that offering amnesty without first securing the border is only going to make the problem worse as people from Mexico are going to rush across the border to take advantage of what's happening. 6,000 troops and an additional 400 miles of fence isn't nearly enough to lock down the border sufficiently.

I'm not an extremist on this, but I am a realist. Trying to secure the border and create a guest worker program means that you won't be able to do either effectively. If you secure the border first, making it impossible for illegals to come into this country en masse (you'll never stop them all, but you can stop an overwhelming amount of them), then implement the program, then you should be able to please both sides.

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Not Gonna happen. Anyone that can't prove they haven't been in the country since January 2006 are excluded from this bill. This is a very clear part of it.

A very similar provision was included in the 1986 amnesty. Look at how well that worked.

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Also, it will be far less cumbersome for people to come here now.

Which only exacerbates the fucking problem, what the fuck?

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The law makes it very fucking hard for immigrants of any kind to come to the US. He likes that. Guess why?

No need to guess, I'll tell you: The flow of immigration, regardless of country of orgin, needs to be strictly controlled so that it is easier to assimilate immigrants into American culture. Unrestricted immigration, which the pro-illegal immigration lobby wants, doesn't encourage assimilation. In fact, it discourages it.

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To say that these immigrants have seriously hurt this economy is something that is hard to prove.

And yet, you liberals will be the first to demand that corporations raise wages, or if they refuse to because of sound business reasons, get the government to use the force of arms to make them do so.

The entire reason why illegals come here to this country is to find work; the only reason they find work is because their illegal status compells them to work for far cheaper wages than any American would accept.

I was speaking idiomatically.

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I was going for the clarity with which you dislike immigrants, illegal or otherwise.

I don't dislike immigrants, that's the thing. My girlfriend's family immigrated here from South Korea and most of them still speak more Korean than they do English.

Of course, I realize that sounds like a bigoted white person screaming "I'm not racist, I have two black friends!" but the fact remains - I don't have a dislike for immigrants because they're from another country. I do, however, have a dislike of people who come to this country with no intention of assimilating or learning the language. That's why I believe the flow must be strictly controlled - no more than maybe 100,000 a year total.

I dunno, maybe I'm wrong here, but that's just the way I look at it. To me, the entire point of immigration is to welcome new people to the country to be Americans. A lot of these people coming here illegally don't want to be American; they want to be Mexicans who reap the benefits of American money. This is why you saw so many during those initital protests waving Mexican flags, chanting about how the land from Texas to California truly belonged to them (it was 'stolen' from them, so to speak). These people, in my view, don't want to join and contribute to American society: they want to fragment it. These aren't the kind of people you want as citizens.

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Because the point is to integrate them as part of a greater whole. Yes, in America we value the individual, but at the same time, there must be some kind of unifying element - it's what makes a country a country.

In most countries that is a common language (which in America, would be English) and a common culture. These illegals flooding over the border share neither with the rest of the population, creating division.

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Only a xenophobe would care about such 'barriers' as language or culture. We're supposively a melting pot remember? Diversity is a strength, not a weakness.

So I'm a xenophobe because I expect to be able to communicate with my countrymen, what the fuck?

Don't you give me that diversity bullshit. These people have no intention of integrating with American society or culture. They don't want to learn the language, they don't want to assimilate into our culture. A melting pot is useless when one of the ingredients doesn't want to mix with the others.

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How is closing the bordors going to make America more secure? We have hundreds of miles of unwatched, unfenced, and unmilitarized coastline. Does it take a genius to figure out that security and illegal immigration have nothing in common given that small fact everyone is ignoring? Stopping one will not stop the other.

This is a retarded argument. Are you saying that because a vulnerability exists on the coastline of the United States that we should not secure the border? That's stupid as hell.

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"Yeah, fuck diversity! We can only have complete uniformity to be Americans."

I didn't say that. I didn't even insinuate that. Don't put words in my mouth.

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They don't necessarily want to stay here either.

All the more reason to stop them from coming here without our permission in the first place.

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I'm asking what good it'll do if a bunch of desperate immigrants really want to make it into the country, and will go to any lengths to get in. Why bother stretching the National Guard even thinner when the overall situation won't change any? Maybe you don't care about the troops but I do!

There's always gonna be someone who's gonna go to extraordinary lengths, but this isn't the norm. And putting 10-15,000 National Guard troops on the border won't stretch the National Guard thin at all. Furthermore, what makes you believe that building a wall, maning it with troops, and installing electronic surveillance equipment that allows for efficient deployment of those troops to stop immigrants from getting across en masse (which is all it can be expected to do; it won't be, nor is it expected to stop every single immigrant). I think you're just talking out of your ass here because you don't want the border to be secured, you just want these people to be able to break the law at will with no consequences whatsoever. If that's what you really want, just come out and say the shit and stop coming up with this nonsense.

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I think he called you xenophobe because you expect other people to learn the language YOU speak because it makes things easier for you.

If I went to Mexico and expected everyone to conform to the language I spoke despite the common language being Spanish, I'd be called an 'arrogant American.' But if I expect Mexican immigrants, illegal or not, to learn the common language of the United States - English - then I'm a goddamn xenophobe?

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I mean, is this something that the US wants to go on record as having used?

Yes, of course, what the hell?

Why is it suddenly inhuman to DEFEND YOUR FUCKING BORDERS AGAINST PEOPLE WHO ARE BREAKING YOUR LAWS?!

I don't get you people. Every other country in the world is allowed to defend itself except America.

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