For or against?

It all comes down to differences in opinion, really.

If you don't want a gun, don't have one. If you want a gun, then you have the legal right to own one.

We have that freedom here in the United States. That some people think it's unnecessary for people to own firearms is fucking irrelevant. Rights don't exist until you decide that they aren't necessary anymore.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Your argument falls because of this:

Me owning a firearm does not in any way, shape, or form infringe upon your rights or freedoms. Unless I use that firearm against you, it likely never will.

There is a fundamental difference between owning a firearm and what the hell you're talking about.

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Eleo complained that you couldn't get high and fuck in public. Who's freedoms do those impose on?

So at the very least - neither of those things infringe on people's freedoms. Still doesn't make me any less right.

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News: unarmed people don't get shot at.

This lets me know you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

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So people come invade your home, big deal. they take your stuff, you call the cops, the cops catch them and insurance replaces all your valubles. Drama over. Would you prefer to have a leathal gun battle in your own home? Fuck your pride.

You know what? If you feel fine with just letting someone run through your house, more power to you. But there are those of us who feel the need to, have the ability to, and will defend their home with lethal force and the law allows us to do so. Don't like it? Doesn't matter. If it isn't you who is getting hit in the chest with that .45 I keep by my bed because you decided you wanted to play thief in the night, why do you even give a fuck?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

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Do I need to PROVE that having a device that uses explosive force to hurl pointy metal things at people might result in people getting hurt more often?

No, however, you do need to prove that taking such devices away from law-abiding citizens will result in people getting hurt less often. When you meet that burden, feel free to respond. If you can't or won't, then we have nothing further to discuss.

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Except that it is common sense, at least intelectually that it would result in people getting hurt less often.

You don't know that at all. You assume that because you strip the right to bear arms from regular citizens that people will get hurt less often, but in truth, you have nothing to back up that claim. If you do, feel free to offer it up.

I was speaking idiomatically.

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You shouldn't have the right because of the danger it puts you all in.

How does me having the right to own a firearm put everyone in danger?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

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Because people get shot by firearms.

I'm going to have to ask you to try again and this time actually make a connection between the rights of law-abidiing citizens and the fact that people get shot.

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Of course no one can or is going to try to deny it....

But as such, you've shown me no compelling reason as to why law-abiding citizens should be stripped of their rights. And given that you've refused to do so, it leaves me to believe that there is no compelling reason why Americans should lose their 2nd Admendment rights other than you simply not liking the fact that people can own firearms.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

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I'm just not comfortable with that and will probably never understand where this trust comes from given the relatively high amount of homicides that involve firearms legally purchased by your a law-abiding citizen.

After combing the thread, could you post up the source that tells you about the 'relatively high amount of homicides that involve firearms that are legally purchased'?

Jam it back in, in the dark.

When you show me evidence that me having the right to own a gun causes people to get shot I'll start to consider what you say.

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Australian statistics are ok, but US statistics are irrelevant? Why is that?

Because America should be more like Australia. Remember - America is wrong about everything and the lesser nations of the world are always right. Whether it be in regards to foreign policy, the death penalty, socialism, or gun ownership, America is on the wrong side. This is why foreigners are considered 'sensible' by Cal and Americans are full of shit.

Remember always that foreigners think Americans are stupid, arrogant, and completely undeserving of the power they have.

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Yes, because socialism is the cure to all of society's ills.

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America might be developed economically but it's highly regressive compared to the rest of the developed world in many other social aspects.

You know, not everyone considers being socialist as being 'progressive' or beneficial.

I was speaking idiomatically.

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Australia initiated a gun buy-back - and thanks to it, gun crime, injury and death stats dropped across the board, bucking the trend of increase they had been on which prompted them to initiate the program in the first place. Such proof can't be ignored. He can spin it if he likes. It'll just make him look more foolish.

And at the same time American gun crime has dropped across the board without the measures the Australian government has put in place. I'm not spinning shit - when you show me evidence that shows that having the right to own firearms causes deaths I'll concede the argument.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?