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Does Obama have a chance?
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Old Feb 12, 2007, 09:38 PM Local time: Feb 12, 2007, 09:38 PM #1 of 90
Obama will likely be a VP candidate and will only win if Clinton has a cataclysmic meltdown that will make the Howard Dean scream pale in comparision.

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Old Feb 14, 2007, 02:20 AM Local time: Feb 14, 2007, 02:20 AM #2 of 90
Nothing about being President mandates previous experience, but just like any other executive job, you want people in office who have experience running things - which is why more Governors tend to get elected President than Senators and Representatives.

If you were a professional sports team, you don't go out and get a guy with no experience. You find someone who has had experience coaching and leading teams to victories.

If you were on the board of advisors of a corporation, you go find a CEO with experience in running a business efficiently and turning a profit.

The same thing applies to electing the chief executive of the United States. You look towards someone who has had experience as an executive of a government. Governors are the chief executives of their respective states. They have to appoint advisors, have to work with state legislatures to get funding for their policies, have to deal with state courts and their various interpretations of law.

Senators don't have to deal with that shit and are seldom forced to take a definitive position precisely because they do not make or implement policy.

This is why Obama gets hit with the experience charge.

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Old Feb 14, 2007, 08:12 AM Local time: Feb 14, 2007, 08:12 AM #3 of 90
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When Bush gives a State of the Union address, he'll say things like GOD HATES GAY PEOPLE or STEM CELL RESEARCH INFRINGES UPON THE DIGNITY OF LIFE and other similarly divisive statements.
.......Since y'know, the text of the State of the Union is readily available to the public.....WHEN THE FUCK HAS BUSH EVER SAID THIS?

Seriously, I understand you have complete contempt for the man, but stop blatantly making shit up.

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Old Feb 14, 2007, 08:41 PM Local time: Feb 14, 2007, 08:41 PM #4 of 90
Obama does not have experience as a leader - he's never had the power to affect change ever and nor does he know how to make the kind of decisions that will get him the desired result. His entire political career has been centered around ONE vote.

While he's a brilliant speaker and extremely charismatic, he is not a leader of men, but rather an idealist.

Clinton is Obama, but Bill Clinton was governor of Arkansas for 12 years, he knew how to get legislation he wanted passed, he knew how to handle a budget, he had to make executive decisions.

Obama's skillset doesn't fit the qualities of a successful President in many people's eyes. This why former Generals and Governors tend to beat out former legilslators - Generals and Governors make and execute policy. That's their job. The buck stops with them. Legislators debate and contribute a drop in a bucket vote and hope enough people vote the same way.

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Old Feb 16, 2007, 12:12 AM Local time: Feb 16, 2007, 12:12 AM #5 of 90
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That is why they keep on comparing Obama to Lincoln, who is probably one of the greatest presidents ever.
Lincoln is the exception, not the rule.

I was speaking idiomatically.
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Old Feb 17, 2007, 02:31 PM Local time: Feb 17, 2007, 02:31 PM #6 of 90
Nah. Obama isn't a terrorist, just a socialist.

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Old Feb 22, 2007, 11:13 PM Local time: Feb 22, 2007, 11:13 PM #7 of 90
Or of course, like most black folks in America, they've never actually been to Africa.

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Old Mar 1, 2007, 07:57 AM Local time: Mar 1, 2007, 07:57 AM #8 of 90
Yes, because America so desperately needs to become a socialist country.

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Old Mar 1, 2007, 08:22 PM Local time: Mar 1, 2007, 08:22 PM #9 of 90
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Night Phoenix, regardless of political beliefs, I can't imagine that we won't become more socialist after the past eight years.
Hell, we've become more socialist over the past eight years than we did during the entirety of the Clinton Administration.

My problem with more and more socialism is that it is irreversible. Of course, I feel I'm helpless to stop America's decline into this destructive economic system and I see it as an inevitability. So it not like it matters anyway.

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