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I'm not very sure what "Cursed" and "Diseased" do. Probably not as debilitating as "Dazed" or "Stunned", so contemplating a switch...

Say, whatever happened to that bard who was eaten up by a grue?

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So Pang, I know Cal's not built for it (Beast Mastery class feature) nor is Denny considered a "Companion", but will you allow me to utilize the "Raise Beast Companion

" ritual for him, if I pay the component cost?

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Pangalin

We don't raise the dead in this campaign, boss.

I'm so going to rustle me some Lamid horses from the dead village folk

Also if I move back one or two steps, presumably going up the stairs and gaining a line of effect that's not blocked by grates, can I shoot the towering Hulk without the partial cover penalty, presumably working both ways?

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Originally Posted by Pangalin

Why certainly. Maybe you could go all the way outside, and try to fire arrows in an arc over the theater walls.

Oh, so it's an open-air amphitheater? Awesome. I might just try that, because I'm pretty sure Skills will revive Gordok and there's a chance Gordok will do silly stuff due to inattention =(

In before Pang gets all quoting "line of sight" and "superior cover"

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If I'm not mistaken (and I possibly may be since I wasn't paying too much attention prior to Secret Cow Level), Gordok probably holds the record for unconsciousness. He got kayoed by Rundarr before Skills did a time paradox, and twice in the Gnasc/Framarth fight, the second time was initially fatal before Skills finagled another time paradox. Fourth time I know of is this battle. Next to that, I'd say Garrmondo, he swooned a couple of times in the Gnasc fight if I recall correctly.

I'm also quite curious about damage output (ie who has inflicted the most damage in HP terms) Kills is one thing - who inflicted the prior damage is far more important - like my Rundarr kill for example. Of course, you won't be able to answer that question for some of Acer's fart-arbalesters-trolls-and-duergar-off-a-precipice kills. Any healing done should probably count as "damage inflicted" - keeping allies alive is just as important as sapping HP...

This is certainly very nitpicky so I won't be surprised if you don't do this, Shin

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I'll bet real money that Gordok the... ummm... hybrid.... leader and controller far out-damages any striker or defender so far Definitely the next role I'd like to play would be a leader, probably warlord. Let's see if it's possible to build a lazy warlord who attacks nothing, and instead just tells people what to hit all the time...

Originally Posted by Shin

Damage dealt is nothing, it's all about the kills. Have you never played an FPS online? There aren't exactly many that give much credit for your total assists stat, although that would be one that pissed off acheivement slags and loner sniper-whores no end I imagine.

Ah, but this is a collaborative game, in which a team of strikers would likely lose to a balanced team with healing and support.

Though, you are right with the measurement difficulty (I kept thinking about Basketball, where they do track things like these). Given the difficulty of gauging the value of support in number terms - for example, Glock and Gordy's positioning ability give tactical advantage and may prevent damage (i.e. enemy AoO); Gordy's ability to make enemies prone or dazed severely limits their damage output; Gheth's ability to bestow combat advantage can turn misses into hits. I guess there is no way to quantify that contribution

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Ah, but there is a huge difference. My nova round got 60 damage and 1 kill - and that's with a crit and use of consumables. His nova round during Gnasc/Framarth reached ... I donno ... 120? Campaign record I'd say.

And possibly even overshadowed by the amount of HP he took off the table during the Helga/Gorg encounter. 2x Duergar Guards and 2x Arbalesters. Guards alone is like 58x2 = 116, never mind the arbalesters.

Third most massive damage inflicted in a single round? Possibly by Bob. With his spiky defenses of the Hargath Inn.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Pangalin

I don't think anybody updated the campaign history since Hargast, so it's lain dormant for quite a while longer than that.

Plus last I heard GFWiki was bugging out and essentially not working right at all.

Blah hasn't exactly effected a full template change yet, but have at it. (Fully editable, just doesn't have the GFWiki template yet)

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Originally Posted by Pangalin

As an example of what a well-oiled machine this game is, there's a PBP game on SA also running Thunderspire Labyrith... since August 2008.

The module is surely bigger than just the duergar castle, as you've hinted there was a dragon there. So, I'd say we're at par!

FELIPE NO

The hell? Link me pliss.

You dropped three other locations: the City of Brass, the Tower of Mysteries, and the Well of Demons. You mean to say they're all hung up at the Horned Hold?

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

But you already played before, once... There shouldn't be any significant changes compared to last time, except for the dice rolling maybe.

If you're looking for races and stuff, you can download the books from the first post of this thread. As for which race is in which book, refer to the first post in the Magic Missile thread.

Anyway, here's a partial list (I know there's an assassin class in the Character Builder, but for the life of me I can't find it anywhere in the books.) The first Player's Handbook, as well as the book containing the race and class you're gonna use, is all you need to read.

Player's Handbook
Races: Dragonborn, Dwarf, Eladrin, Elf, Half-Elf, Halfling, Human, Tiefling
Classes: Cleric, Fighter, Paladin, Ranger, Rogue, Warlock, Warlord

Player's Handbook 2
Races: Deva, Gnome, Goliath, Half-Orc, Longtooth Shifter, Razorclaw Shifter
Classes: Avenger, Barbarian, Bard, Druid, Invoker, Shaman, Sorceror, Warden

Player's Handbook 3
Races: Githzerai, Minotaur, Shardmind, Wilden
Classes: Ardent, Battlemind, Monk, Psion, Runepriest, Seeker
Rules on creating Hybrid class combinations of all types are also in this handbook.

Forgotten Realms Player's Guide
Races: Drow, Genasi
Classes: Swordmage

Eberron Player's Guide
Races: Warforged, Kalashtar, Changeling
Classes: Artificer

Dragon Magazine Races
Minotaur (Dragon #367)
Gnoll (Dragon #369)
Duergar (Monster Manual)


RACE OPTIONS:

Player's Handbook Races: Dragonborn
Player's Handbook Races: Human (to be released on December 21, 2010)
Player's Handbook Races: Tiefling (to be released on June 15, 2010)


CLASS OPTIONS:

Martial Power and Martial Power 2
Fighter, Ranger, Rogue, Warlord

Arcane Power
Bard, Sorcerer, Swordmage, Wizard, Warlock

Divine Power
Avenger, Cleric, Invoker, Paladin

Primal Power
Barbarian, Druid, Shaman, Warden

Psionic Power (to be released August 17, 2010)
Ardent, Battlemind, Monk, Psion


CLASS ACTS IN DRAGON MAGAZINE

Dragon 385: Assassin, Fighter, Shaman, Sorceror, Swordmage, Wizard
Dragon 384: Avenger, Barbarian, Cleric, Warlord
Dragon 383: Bard, Invoker, Ranger, Shaman, Warden, Warlock, Wizard
Dragon 382: Avenger, Druid, Fighter, Invoker, Swordmage, Warlock
Dragon 381: Invoker, Paladin, Rogue, Sorceror, Warlock, Warlord, Wizard
Dragon 380: Barbarian, Wizard
Dragon 379: Cleric, Fighter, Warden
Dragon 377: Ranger
Dragon 376: Bard
Dragon 369: Warlord
Dragon 367: Swordmage
Dragon 364: Wizard

MISCELLANY:

Adventurer's Vault (Hundreds of items, their functions, and their prices)
Adventurer's Vault 2 (Even more random loot for you to covet)

Jam it back in, in the dark.

You just read the list without reading the paragraph that came before

Besides! I took most of it from your Magic Missile post! You totally started it.

And yea Shin, you overemphasize my understanding of the rules. The day we can have a battle where I don't ask Pang a single question, is the day I will claim sufficient grasp!

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Originally Posted by Pangalin

1 PC only interested in saving his own ass

I'm not sure what you think I can do here

First of all, Cal's just as effective 15 squares away as he is in 3 squares.

Second, he's not built for melee. Not only has he low HP and few healing surges, he's also quite squishy. Keeping away and out of harm preserves party healing resources which is better used for frontline defenders.

Third, he's just had a nova turn. All tapped out of encounters.

Fourth, he's not too happy about the callousness of the halfling.

Fifth, he's still grieving and won't be powergaming for five turns. I totally rolled for it. (I mean eh, why bother optimizing rounds to inflict maximum damage when your allies don't.)

Sixth, I'm still exploring whether Cal can try athletics to climb to the amphitheater's higher levels from the outside, where it's safer to do so than from the inside.

Finally, he's still bummed that he was dropped into the encounter on the front line all lined up where the enemy controller can drop a nice area attack on everyone at once at the beginning of the battle, when he explicitly stipulated that he'd rather bring up the rear.



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I was about to point out that Geoff in fact obstructs at least 3 out of 4 lines you can draw between the seer and Garrmondo, thus providing superior cover. But it seems +14 against reflex, plus a high roll of 16, is just too high to surmount

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

A +1 to hit won't make or break an attack

'Sides, I like to think Prime Shot is for those Melee rangers rather than the archers. Surely you don't expect me to get into enemies' faces and take OAs for every single attack?

Also, I would like to invoke the target clause of Fey Switch. "Willing" ally. I'm not willing.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

A ruling made to save time! I'm not wasting time by immediately registering my objection

I was speaking idiomatically.

Man, why do you have to go and ruin my carefully-crafted combat advantage from concealment against the Hulk, huh? Why don't you just prone the lot of them with Tundra Wind

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Ah, steeds, steeds, what steeds! Has the whirlwind a home in your manes? Is there a sensitive ear, alert as a flame, in your every fiber? Hearing the familiar song from above, all in one accord you strain your bronze chests and, hooves barely touching the ground, turn into straight lines cleaving the air, and all inspired by God it rushes on!

When I bestride Denny, I soar, I am a hawk: he trots the air; the earth sings when he touches it; the basest horn of his hoof is more musical than the pipe of Hermes.

FELIPE NO

And attack him with what exactly? Cripple punch?

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

I don't think he's wearing any clothes.

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Hmm, maybe when he's dead. Maybe.

Depending on the size of his package, Cal might just harvest it. FUCK GOTTA BOUNCE

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Oboyoboy, more augmenting whetstones. the size of pomelos!

Did Garr's OA hit... or? 16 + 10 = 26 > 22

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

First time I played May Payne was a downloaded copy that didn't have most of the voiceovers for the "graphic novel" interludes. I kind of preferred it that way.

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1. One post in a testing thread to "prime" my post. Another post in Magnum Innominandum to activate it 25 seconds later! Well, it worked. Could've been derailed of course if someone happened to make a post in between.

CHz really thought of everything. I tried directly accessing the editpost.php link but it wouldn't allow me.

2. It's okay, it's not like I'm doing anything that would impact Skill's turn. 'Sides, everyone but Gordok posts in a bloc. ('Sides, I recall you saying months ago that you'd rather someone be early than late.

Anyway if you want me to post later and just ignore what I posted on April Fool's, I won't mind one single bit ;-)

I was speaking idiomatically.

Cal's a ranger, not a rogue ;___;

Though come to think about it, I might just consider Multiclass Rogue

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Naw, he definitely won't survive with just a measly 3 HP. But at least there are orgies in this game!

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The Sun! IT BURNS!

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

What the hell?

In my first turn, I dropped a monster with a nova.
In my second turn, I had a couple of bad rolls that wouldn't hit anything. I used a standard, a move, and a minor, what "diddling around for conditions to be perfect" are you talking about?
In my third turn, I had to get away from the position you put me in.

Can you tell me exactly when Cal has not been contributing to team damage? Because frankly, If I can concentrate on dropping the enemies one at a time, while the defenders keep them at bay, the battle can be over much sooner!

And the shift northeast? I have 15 HP left. Pang is going to focus fire the manglers on me. Skills has slowed one of them. Since I'm dazed and only have one action in my next turn, it's logical for me to put as much distance as I can. My damage output is the same, five or twenty squares away. And if the team healers don't have to worry about healing me, that helps the team in the long run.

I am most perplexed at your resentment here. It is my job as a striker to damage a single enemy as much and as quickly as possible. I'm not a defender like Garrmondo who can soak up the punishment. You made a character whose most potent attacks are close bursts, which need you to get in melee range. And you wonder why you become a punching bag?

>> he moved away from the pack yet again. He originally had Cal going 2 squares north towards us. That would have been fine.
And also, why the hell do you want the team to be all bunched together? That's a surefire way of getting an area attack on our asses.

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