Why are people offended by the term "Islamic fascists"?

Originally Posted by George Doublebush

"This nation is at war with Islamic fascists who will use any means to destroy those of us who love freedom to hurt our nation."

Generalized statements like this which instill nebulous fear without specific information are exactly in line with the goals of terrorism.

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To be fair, Christianity didn't rise up in outrage over the IRA, Christian terrorist groups in Northeast India, the Oklahoma City bombing or Eric Robert Rudolph, either.

There are extremists and fanatics to be found in every religion, so why do you think it should be up to all the members of the religion to rise up against people who use their personal beliefs as a false pretense to terrorism? More importantly, what makes you think that many Muslims aren't actually disgusted at these terrorist acts?

You know, how about you stop over-generalizing just for once, here?

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If you can have Islamic fascists, you could also have Christian fascists. However, I'm having a real hard time imagining what would constitute a Christian fascist. It's almost as hard as defining the term Islamic fascist.

Besides, why does Bush need to make these things up? Nobody has ever heard of Islamic fascism before, so I'm wondering wether there's a certain demand for this terminology now. Because otherwise it would just be yet another flowery phrase.

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Originally Posted by MetheGelfling

I'm taking it that you are aware that nationalism exists outside the idea of the state.

Can you give examples for that?

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And how exactly was this nationalism independent from the state?

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Originally Posted by Lord Styphon

The central idea of 19th century German nationalism was the unity of the German people, and that the German nation as a whole was more important than the various states it was divided among, wasn't it?

I might be confusing things here, but I thought the original quote meant to use the term "state" as a substitute for "nation". Even if not, how was 19th century German nationalism "existing outside the idea of the state"?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Your examples all have one thing in common: The interest of certain cultures or movements to build their own nation. You can add some Jews and the founding of Israel (which has absolutely nothing to do with nationalism, of course) to that list, as well.

This would describe the term "Islamic fascism" as a cultural group wanting to establish their own nation. While this might very well be true, I still think the usage of the term is largely incorrect, because ... seriously, what does this have to do with anything?

Was it confirmed that there have been plans made by the U.K. bombers to establish their own nation by blowing up airplanes? Again, while this may be true, wouldn't you expect someone to call them "Islamic fascists" to base their paranoid accusations on solid proof or use different, not so vaguely defined terms?

Are Islamic fascists worse than terrorists? Are they actually terrorists at all or just another virtual entity to be at war with? How do Islamic fascists look? Who is their fascist leader? You know, there needs to be a political dictator or something to lead their ideology. Who and where is he? Is my neighbour an Islamic fascist? He's not a Muslim, but certainly a fascist, so maybe even an Islamic fascist? Where do Islamic fascists meet to practice their fascism? Is everyone blowing shit up an Islamic fascist? And why are we even at war with them, when clearly, it isn't even confirmed that this Califate they're trying to establish is meant to stretch out to the U.S.?

Sorry, but there are a lot of questions arising from such a statement and their effects are directly in line with the goals of global terrorism.

Seriously, I guess Bush just meant to sound incredibly clever in using a term he probably doesn't even understand himself.

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Originally Posted by Night Phoenix

Numerous UN resolutions show that the Europeans cannot be trusted in anyway to assist Israel.

Wait, what? Why would that be?

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Do you actually know anything about politics in Europe or are you basing your entire argument that Europeans are always condemning Israel on rumors, hearsay and your local gossip?

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