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Originally Posted by acid
There is a world of difference between being a nice guy that people respect, and a spineless doormat that no one gives the time of day.
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Exactly. I couldn't agree with you more! I think the phrase "nice guys (people) finish last" is mostly talking about the doormats. I've known some people who are absoulte doormats... and they will be pushed around and taken advantage of all their lives. But I know some very nice people who know when its necessary to stand their ground, and they will go far.
Jam it back in, in the dark.