[Movie] Transformers Movie (07-04-07)

Originally Posted by Tappy

Too bad Chris Latta (Starscream) died though!

When did that happen?!

He was once a man. A maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan.

+15 nerds points if you understand that

Jam it back in, in the dark.

From that Michael Bay blog.

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The teaser and poster for the Transformers film will be out July 4, 2006.

Sweet zombie jesus! A month for a teaser. A MONTH.

Also, I have a very, very strong feeling the trailer will be attached to Pirates 2 (July 7th).

There's nowhere I can't reach.

While I still do believe that Bumblebee should be once a Volkswagon, always a Volkswagon, I can live with the change.

Specifically since this will be the real debut of the new Camaro concept that'll probably go into production in the next few years.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Simo

Teaser poster released:


The official site is also up:
http://www.transformersmovie.com/

Seems to be counting down for something at the end of the month. Teaser trailer perhaps?

I cannot believe they didn't use More Than Meets the Eye.

Also, while I'm pretty sure it's not any one Transformer in particular and just some Transformer-ish eye, if I had to pick a bot, I'd go with Optimus. I don't know why, it's just the first one that popped into my head.

But that may be because I'm wearing an Optimus T-shirt next to an Optimus Transformer.

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Originally Posted by Mobius One

I'm starting to get worried because Bay is changing stuff that doesn't need to be changed, it was perfetly fine the way it was.

Nitpickers are hilarious.

"Bumblebee is a camaro! That's terrible!"
"Soundwave may be a digital music player!"
"The teaser trailer that usually has absolutely fuck all to do with the actual movie has a scene on Mars!"
"They're changing things that don't need to be changed!"

Yeah, maybe they are. But they are also changing things that don't have to stay the same. Bumblebee not being a Volkswagon will NOT change the character. He'll just look prettier. (By the way, they wanted to have him as a bug but VW said no).

It makes perfect fucking sense for Soundwave to be a mp3 player. If the whole premise of transforming is to be able to hide amongst the humans, why would he transform into a 25 year old peice of technology? A boom box worked fine the 80s. Everyone had one. Now everyone has iPod's.

The Mars thing. Are people actually bitching that a teaser trailer had a scene in which they showed a bot on Mars? Really? Is that all you have to complain about? Did Spider-Man have a scene in which he foils a bank robbers' helicopter by trapping it between buildings? No. But it was in the teaser. Did the Hulk have that scene of him destroying his house like in the teaser? No. What makes you so damn certain that the movie will actually HAVE anything to do with Mars?

Worse case scenario, it does. Then what? The Autobots/Decepticons stopped on Mars to check the planet out before they came to earth. Or maybe instead of crash landing on Earth and being buried under a mountain, they crash landed on Mars and found there to be nothing there. So they came on over. I highly doubt that the movie is actually going to say that they CAME from Mars.

None of these changes detract from the story. None of them are horrible changes either. They didn't make Optimus an Ice Cream Van. They didn't make Starscream a scooter, or Jazz a Decepticon. They didn't kill off Hot Rod.

The movie will be different from the cartoon. It has to be. If you want the same fucking movie go watch the 1986 Transformers Movie.

And then come bitch about how they killed Prime.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by DukeBox

More examples? X-men had many changes. The suits were thankfully changed. However, the main characters retained their basic characteristics and overall look.

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The suits were thankfully changed. However, the main characters retained their basic characteristics and overall look.

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The suits were thankfully changed. However, the main characters retained their basic characteristics and overall look.

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The PAINT ON THE TRUCK was thankfully changed. However, the main character retained his basic characteristics and overall look.

Congratulations on shooting yourself in the foot. I absolutely fail to see how you can bitch at this movie for putting flames on a truck (because you know, some of them have that), yet praise X-Men for going from Yellow to black leather.

IT'S THE SAME THING.

Yeah, he looks a little different, but as of now we have absolutely no indication that it is not going to be the same Optimus we loved growing up, just with a slightly different paint job. Wolverine didn't have the mask, but he was still just as cool.

Sure I want the red/blue Optimus. But I can certainly live with that change if they get the character right.

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In contrast, Catwoman shit all over the franchise. A complete change in costume and character that looked awful, a poorly written script that was the chaotic product of too many scriptwriters being involved... A script which had no real common link back to source material. Which one succeeded and which one failed? >___>;

So you've read the script? You've read the top secret script that no one has read? So you then know, for a fact because you've read the script, exactly what happens in the movie and why it will suck? Like you know that the characters arn't going to act like you think they should? And that the script is not going to be G1 focused at all?

No you don't, because you haven't read shit. Forming such strong opinions about the movie based on the ramblings of a few AICN talkbackers is immature and irrational. You don't know anything about the movie besides that Optimus may have flames on him at some point and that a large yellow robot (perhaps Bumblebee) makes an appearance at the hoover dam.

"War and Peace" sucked. But ofcourse, that's just what I decided to believe, never actually having read War and Peace.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Protom@nNeo

It was announced today at comic-con that the original voice of Optimus Prime will be returning for the movie

:GIDDY:

FELIPE NO

The official list as per that webcast is;

Optimus
BUmblebee
Jazz
Ratchet
Ironhide

Megatron
Starscream (FUCKING YES)
Brawl
Bonecrusher (Said to be the closest thing to a Constructicon. I'm thinking they just renamed Devastator)
Barricade
Scorpinok (Are you serious? Giant metal scorpions? awesome)
Frenzy (they said something like Soundwave, but not quite)
Blackout


Overall a decent list. Not everyone I wanted, but it's not terrible. I will say however that there is no Soundwave, and that I am pissed. Brawl? BRAWL? Over Soundwave. weak.

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Webchat is still going, but now it's just fans asking questions. Anything important I'll post, but right now it's just "who would win in a fight? optimus or megatron?" and "will megatron insult Starscream atelast once?". The answer is yes.

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There is going to be a contest in a couple of weeks. "Write a line for Optimus Prime". Submit the line that Optimus has to say during the movie, and they'll pick one and get Peter Cullen to do it and stick it in the movie. While it's obvious that "Transform and Roll Out!" is going to be in the movie anyways (atleast I hope so), I'm so submitting "Light out darkest hour!"

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Originally Posted by DukeBox

They cut Soundwave out in this movie because of the catch-22 that no mass-shifting for this film posed (at first they had Blackout lined up to be Soundwave, but they were worried about the reaction to the new alt-mode... then it was Frenzy who was meant to be Soundwave, who was more true to G1... but let's face it, not exactly strong or menacing)

Don Murphy mentioned towards the beginning of the year at the Toronto BotCon that they were thinking of leaving Soundwave out for another movie, because, in his words, "I don't want to be the one that screws up Soundwave"

Personally, I wouldn't have minded Soundwave being the MH-53, but then again, I wouldn't mind him being introduced in a sequel either if it means he has more time dedicated to the development of his character

Anyway, I'm pretty satisfied with how this character line-up is sounding

Yeah, they said during the webcast that Frenzy's character kind of started out as Soundwave, but they changed him altogether because they felt they wouldn't really be doing him justice.

I just can't decide if a broken Soundwave is worse than no Soundwave at all.

Also These went up on the net sometime today. Don't know the legitmacy of them, but these may be first shots of some of the bots. The yellow one is obviously Bumblebee, and the truck is obviously Optimus. I've heard that the black truck may be Ironhide and the Hummer thing Ratchet. Or vice versa. The big skeleton thing was hinted at being either a frozen Megatron (When they find them in the arctic) or just an animatronic skeleton. Again, don't know if these are legit or what, but it's something.

I personally don't really care for the Bumblebee look. It's too anime-ish, not boxy enough. Still though, they could make Optimus out of toothpicks and I'd still be there in a Transformers t-shirt on opening day doing a bad Chris Latta impression.

Nachhooooossssssss!

How ya doing, buddy?

So Jaroh. Did like, Micheal Bay and his design team rape your mother or something? Because that's the only way I can see you getting so angry over what a character looks like in a movie. Yeah I'd like it a little more if they looked more blocky and less anime inspired than they do, but whatever. I can roll with the punches. I'm an adult.

Kurado is absolutely right. Despite what you want to believe, Transformers was not the magnum opus of the 80s that you're making it out to be. It was a cartoon designed to sell toys. It was a half hour long toy commercial with a movie, and too many spinoffs to count. It aired every week, and every week I'd hound my mother for a new jet/car/bus/ambulance/etc. And you know what? I loved every second of it.

It was about this group of giant fucking robots that turned into awesome shit and had awesome guns vs that group of giant fucking robots that turned into awesome shit and had awesome guns. It wasn't this huge commentary on anything, it wasn't the best written work of a generation. It was a fucking children's cartoon show.

Bay can't fuck this up. If he has giant robots that transform into different veichles blowing the shit out of each other, he's done good. If he has Peter Cullen scream "Transform and Roll Out" just once more, he's done good. If he manages to find someone with the best Chris Latta impression for Starscream, he's done good. Autobots and Decepticons fighting each other. That's all Transformers ever was, regardless of what you've built it up to be in your head.

And on account of my saying this, don't bring that "real fan" shit in. The Soundwave t-shirt I'm wearing as I type, and the Optimus Prime (Powermasters line, 1988) toy sagely overlooking me as I write this suggest otherwise. I adore the transformers. And while I do share, to an extent, some of your concerns, I by no means am angry about them. Putting flames on a truck is not a reason to not see a movie about my second (GI Joe will always be number one) favourite cartoon series as a child.

It's obvious that your passionate about the Transformers. You probably wouldn't be flying off the handle if you were a Go-bot fan. But you're not going to see this movie, because they made them look different? If you want them to look like they did in 86 go watch the animated movie.

Explain how exactly they fail? Optimus is a truck. Megatron is a tank (so they stole it from G2 because of the whole "no size changing thing. But that's an entirley different arguement, and probably one I'd agree with you on). Starscream is a jet. Bumblebee, while not a bug, is still a yellow car. Scorpinok is in it. And he's a fucking giant metal scorpion. You can't tell me that's not bad ass.

Seriously, does going from this;

to this;


really going to make THAT much of a difference. Sure, I agree, I would have liked to have seen a little more classic approach. When I first saw the designs, the first words out of my mouth (well, in my head because I was alone and I don't talk to myself) were "what the hell". But you know what, I can look past that. He's a truck, he's named Optimus Prime, he's voiced by Peter Cullen, and I get to see a live action transformers movie. That's all I need. If you want to judge a movie that you haven't seen a single frame of as being "shit" and a "terrible movie" fine. Don't give it a chance. Make a judgement on it before actually seeing it. Overreact and look foolish because they changed a character from a saturday morning cartoon. Sit home and be pissed off about it. I'll be at the theater watching Starscream rip shit up and having a great time.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Mobius One

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Any day of the week. G1 Prime (especially in all his 20th anniverssary figure glory) looks perfectly acceptable as realistic (for the purposes of a live action film), especially when the new design doesn't scream "this could really happen!". Will changing it make that much of a difference to casual movie goers? No. To the fans? YES. When they said G1, the image of G1 Prime instantly jumped into the minds or every Transformers fan.

They never actually said they were making a G1 movie. They said they were making a movie that was loosely based on G1. Optimus, Megatron, Starscream, Ratchet, Scorpinok. Crash land. Earth. Transform into viechles. Fighting over energy source on earth. They didn't say that is was going to be G1 100%. Would it have been nice, well yeah. You're right, the classic Prime (and god is that 20 Anniversary figure gorgeous) is better. Shit happens, and if you really can't accept that he looks a little different in order to get a movie that you (and me) have no doubt be clamoring for since you were kids, maybe you arn't as hardcore of a fan as you think you are.

And did you just try to make an argument about realism referring to a cartoon about a truck that turns into a robot that saves the world?

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Oh wait, now it's going to be an hour and a half long commercial designed to sell new toys. Nothing more.

DID YOU ACTUALLY WATCH THE CARTOON?!?

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Originally Posted by Mobius One

Ha ha!

Here's why I don't like it: Bay isn't changing the designs just to shit on the fans, he's chaning the designs to fit with his new theme (which shits on the fans): that Transformers are these very alien things that have nothing in common with humanity and don't attempt to blend in with their technology very well. This is totally contrary to what Transformers (in all its incarnations) has been. Not to mention that in all of the new robot mode designs, you can't even tell what they're supposed to transform into until you see their vehicle mode, which is also contrary to the designs of Transformers. The vehicle modes should always heavily influence the design of the robots modes, not fail to have anything in common with them.

Other than those reasons, Prime looks unbefitting of a Prime. He looks more like Mech Warrior meets anorexic girl. Here's what makes Prime:



Massive. Hulking. Armor. He should be large and in charge, simple blunt surfaces, parts unexposed. Not the Mr. skeleton dude that is the new design. Take the new look and put more armor around it and then maybe we've got a deal, but as it is I just don't like it as Prime. Sure, it's a cool mech, but it's not Prime. Maybe I'll grow to like it, maybe I'll grow to hate it more, but my first impression as a Transformers fan is "no dice".

They don't attempt to blend in with humanity? Is that why they transform into semi trucks, pickups, sports cars, tanks, fighter jets, police cars, and Hummers? Yeah, you don't see those around very often.

Oh, and since you brought that picture up (ahem);

That's not G1 Prime! Heathens! They changed something!

See, that was annoying wasn't it. It was stupid, carried no weight, and was generally foolish. I wonder where I picked that up from?

Originally Posted by Lord Jaroh

And Acid, yes I did watch the cartoon. And it was good, if a bit simple. Truthfully, I enjoyed the original comics far more than the cartoon. More story in them, and far longer. But the characters in them grew beyond the "commercials" of the cartoon. If you ask a regular person who Optimus Prime was, they'd more than likely be able to tell you, and they'd describe him as a Red and Blue flatnose semi. If you showed them the movie picture, would they recognize that as Optimus? More than likely not.

And your point is what? That people won't instantly recognize that as Optimus?

I don't know about you, but I'd have to be damn near retarded to not figure out who that is by this pic:



How many big red/blue semi's do they have kicking around?

And if they still couldn't figure it out, they probably have little connection to the source material at all, and thus could give a shit if prime was a bumper-car.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Mobius One

It may not be G1 Prime, but it is the best Prime design outside of G1. The War Within Cybertronian version represents Prime perfectly.

When I said "little attempt to blend in with humanity" I was refering to the robot mode, not the vehicle mode. As I said earlier, the point is that the Transformers are supposed to look like they could be built by whatever civilization's technology they're emmulating, even in robot mode. It has always been this way. Bay changes it just to for shits and giggles in order to make the movie "his vision" and not just Transformers on the big screen. He puts too much emphases on trying to make it MICHAEL BAY TRANSFORMERS. Really it should be TRANSFORMERS (btw, directed by michael bay).

So you take issue with the fact that they don't look like they could be made with earth technology. That the big robot with the gun from another planet populated by robots looking for energy for the planet populated by robots with guns doesn't look like he could realistically be made with earth technology. Alright. The idea that they have to look like current tech (which I do not recall EVER being an issue in the series) while in robot mode is moot anyways. It doesn't matter how much he looks like he was built on earth, if he's a 40 foot talking robot fighting with another, I'll fucking know he wasn't.

This whole argument is boiling down to nothing more than it's not exactly as you remember it. You're right, it's not. And you're right, I do actually like the classic design more than this new one. But by no means does the way it looks detract from the movie. The way that he looks it not going to take away from the fact that he's STILL Optimus Prime. He's going to sound the same, act the same, and still be the same robot. Just redesigned. If you won't go see the movie because of how he looks, you're not as big of a fan as you are acting to be.

FELIPE NO

Megatron pictures leaked!






It's very. Different. It's even a farther departure from the Optimus model (Which, I've actually grown to like a little). Still though, it's hardly going to keep me from seeing the movie.

Let people overreacting over an 80s cartoon begin!

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Originally Posted by SOLDIER

Robots in Disguise

You've seen him transformed, have you?

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by SOLDIER

Alien Jet.

Yeah, great disguise. No one will suspect a futuristic, heavily-armed jet as a possible threat.

Because we all know that Starscream came from Cybertron looking like a fucking F-14 Tomcat. It's not like they changed their transformed appearance to match Earth veichles after they arrived here or anything.

OH WAIT

There's nowhere I can't reach.

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He also stated that the "transforming sound" is likely to make it into the film, and that although the timing does not yet call for it, they are definitely looking into getting Frank Welker to voice Megatron.

Fucking right on. Transforming noise FTW. And if they get Weller to scream "Decepticons attack!" or "it's over Prime" I'll be as giddy as a schoolgirl.

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Originally Posted by SOLDIER

Of course I'm going to bitch. I don't want to wait another 3-4 years to complain that I had to wait 3-4 years to be miserable about how they changed a child's cartoon.

Fixed.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by JazzFlight

Ahhhh! Holy crap, that looks good.

It's funny, though.

That official trailer doesn't have them speaking, but you just know that once they do, it's going to be a lot less suspenseful.

I kept waiting for Peter Cullen to say something

It was a pretty decent trailer though. Scorpinok looks pretty sweet, and Starscream flying around the city looks promising.

Can't fucking wait.

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