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Well, we know Locke was "changed" by his encounter with the monster back in S1.

We also know that he saw it as a bright light, which is odd.

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Ben is a fucking gangster.

What comes out of his mouth: "No, Jack! I did not know that Locke killed himself!"
What's going on in his brain: "HURR HURR HURF HURF DURF DURF HURR"

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Oh oh oh oh I have an idea.

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They're dead in a cave.

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Originally Posted by sprouticus

This was probably my favorite episode of the season. For the first time in a long time I was actually entertained throughout, not to mention the episode was hugely satisfying from a character and mythology perspective. Seriously, this episode was nigh-perfect.

Yep. This.

I think the mark of how much I enjoyed it was that this time around I was irritated as FUCK the whole way through by my brother's constant coughing. Usually I just shrug it off, but goddamn this week's ep was engaging.

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The Temple. Right.

So it's got a perimeter wall around it which clearly extends several miles. That's loopy. And we still haven't seen the building itself. WHAT.

I was speaking idiomatically.

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I'm happy to see that they're going to make use of Miles next week. He's the last of Widmore's crew that's still around (actively.) I'm guessing that Faraday will come back later when all that time-travel business becomes a problem again.

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Well, the first episode after the impending two-week break is called "The Variable", which I can only assume is another wild-as-fuck Desmond/Faraday escapade.

Fuck two-week breaks, though.

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The "Incident Room" is canon. In fact, it's the only canonical thing in the entire goddamned game. The developers were quite limited on what they could show in the way of new material - the design/layout of the room was provided by the guys behind the show's mythos, and it's shown on the blast door map:



I wager we'll be seeing it in the finale. One thing, though - there's an inscription on the map reading "Caduceus station believed to have been abandoned due to AH/MDG incident of 1985" - our characters are in 1977. Either it's referring to a different incident, or we'll be seeing more time-jumping shenanigans before the season's out...

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I'd be disappointed were that the case. The episode title kind of indicates a continuation of The Constant, so...

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I'm surprised no one has tried to figure out what all the writing on the temple wall means...especially in the smoke monsters room. Maybe they have, but I'm way too lazy to look into it!

Lostpedia to the rescue.

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I'm going to be watching the finale tomorrow night, twelve or so hours after all you yankees... So you'd better fucking use spoiler tags! At the very least, don't mention any plot details at the beginning of your posts, else they'll show up in the "recent posts" frame on the index. Got that, splitters?

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"What did one snowman say to the other snowman?"

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FUCK.

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Holy shit. So Locke's been dead as a doornail all along. I won't pretend I saw that coming.

Interesting how all this ties together, though. They're really starting to play up the mythological aspects of the show's background. When Ben referred to not-Locke as "waltzing in like Moses" and not-Locke gave him that knowing look... What if...? Oh god. Oh fuck. Oh wow.

I have all kinds of thoughts I'm going to be rambling on about in the morning. Jesus, fuck. FUCK. Excellent finale to a great season.

Oh yeah, and now we know how Chang lost his arm. cool~

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Originally Posted by Sian

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Because if that statue is Taweret, the goddess of birth and all that jazz

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Debunked, I believe. Now that we've seen it's clearly not a representation of a pregnant woman, there's a trend towards people saying it's Sobek, the god of the Nile and an incarnation of Ra.

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So it's safe to say that the Cabin Jacob was in wasn't Jacob but Jacob's evil buddy, as they said that it had been used by someone else. Meaning Locke's spiritual connection with the island was with the baddy.

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I figured exactly the same thing. Jacob's nemesis was the chap who appeared in the cabin for a split-second back in season three, and he took the form of Christian Shephard afterwards. I'm guessing that although Horace built/designed the cabin as a holiday spot or suchlike, at some point it was repurposed for imprisoning the bad man and somehow sealing him in with the ring of ash - which would explain why Ilana was all OH SHIT and torched the place when she noticed the gap in the ring. Going along with the this-guy-is-the-monster theory, though, it's hard to explain how he was simultaneously trapped in the cabin AND tormenting the rest of the island...

It would make sense, though - not-Locke wasn't shown onscreen with the monster once this season, and Ben's "trial" was awfully convenient for his cause if this theory comes together - he was unable to enter the catacombs because he'd be taking the form of the monster (and Alex) down below.

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So it's safe to say that the Cabin Jacob was in wasn't Jacob but Jacob's evil buddy, as they said that it had been used by someone else. Meaning Locke's spiritual connection with the island was with the baddy.

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Interesting, but I'm not so sure. Remember back in season one, where we saw that shot of Locke looking up at the monster (from its point of view), and he later described it as "something beautiful" and a "bright light"? There's a prevailing theory that this wasn't the monster at all - it was Jacob taking a similar form, but being that Jacob isn't being quite so overtly antagonistic as his enemy, he appears as a bright light rather than a cloud of black smoke.

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Also, the writers have hinted there might be more than one smoke monster. HOW WILL THEY DO THIS IN ONE MORE SEASON?!

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A new ARG's starting. Boring code-breakery aside, it boils down to people who've been watching it unfold on Twitter getting messages saying: "Are you a candidate? Await further instructions May 18."

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"Candidate"? Wasn't Ilana's group mulling over whether or not Lapidus would make a good candidate? Candidate for what?

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Originally Posted by the frito bandito

Can someone please explain to me what J.J. Abrams has done to piss so many few of you off? I swear, I've never encountered people who hate being entertained as much as you guys.

Now quit fagging up our thread.

It's because he ruined the masterpiece of social commentary that is Star Trek, which has never been and never should be about lasers pew pew pew. smokes pipe Furthermore,



Anyway. I enjoyed the premiere. Some observations:

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The point of divergence in the two timelines clearly isn't the plane crash, as I had previously predicted. Lots of things are different to the first time around. Hurley's in coach, Jack's in row 24 instead of 23, Boone's alone, Desmond is... Desmond, and Charlie is choking on a bag of smack instead of overdosing. On top of that, the actors all look a lot older and have bad hair. More importantly, the island is underwater. Hrmmmmm.

Glad to see some solid confirmation that smokey, Locke's impostor and the man in black are all one and the same. Lots of stuff resolved regarding him — the ring of ash around Jacob's cabin back in S3 is, in fact, a barrier against him, judging from what the dudes inside the statue and the temple were doing. Also, the judo bullshit he pulled on Richard was pretty unexpected and kind of awesome.

Lost has always done a pretty good job of working new characters in — Lennon and Japanese guy are both kickass. The whole thing with the temple still has me a little uneasy, though; I can't really bring myself to accept that the losties were on the island for two months and didn't even stumble across the walls of the damn thing. Hum.

THIS FUCKING SHOW. Kind of glad it's finally coming to a close, honestly. Shit, so far we've already had some HUGE answers and we've only seen an hour and a bit of the season that should (hopefully) clear up everything.

It'd be nice to know some more stuff about Libby while we're at it, seeing as we've been cock-teased about her since S2, and aside from her brief maybe-a-hallucination appearances in that one episode of S4, we've seen neither hide nor hair of her and we know fuck-all about where she comes from. Kind of a pedantic loose end to dwell on, but still.

I was speaking idiomatically.

The only people I know right now who watch Lost are just a bunch of guys who pay attention to the show and talk about what things could mean. Nothing more, nothing less.

Only dealings I've had with obnoxious fans were years ago, back during the first season, when I had zero interest in the series and everyone I knew who watched it paid more attention to OMG BOONE IS SO HOT than anything else. As soon as they killed off all the stupid sex appeal characters and actually focused on the sci-fi elements, all of those people stopped paying attention to the show and declared it boring. Whaddayaknow.

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I spent sunday writing a ridiculously drawn-out theory. So far nothing's happened to disprove it, and it's been confirmed now that setting off Jughead did create the alternate timeline, so that's something.

Definitely one of the best episodes so far this season. Interesting to see that in this timeline Penny is the secret lovechild while Dan inherits the Widmore name, and that Mrs. Hawking/Widmore apparently knows exactly what's going on.

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That moment near the beginning where Hurley's voice hits that little plateau when he's talking about Libby's death is seriously some of the best goddamn acting I've ever seen in a TV series. Decent episode overall. Didn't see Ilana going boom coming at all.

Observation about why alt-Des ran down alt-Locke: So far everyone he's encountered from the flight has found love and happiness and whatnot in the original timeline, but they're miserable as shit in the new one. Locke's the exception — he seems to be doing pretty damn well for himself despite being in a wheelchair. In the original timeline, Helen left him when he kept trying to reconcile with his dickhead dad, but in this one, he's married to her and he has a good relationship with his father.

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Looks like more filler. And with only two episodes to go?

Next week's episode is the big Jacob/MiB origins reveal. I'd hardly call that filler.

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Holy FUCK most depressing episode ever goddamn have some nedroid to lighten the mood



Also, thank you for not posting spoilers in the first lines of your posts this week, guys It was nice to not have things ruined by the recent posts box on the index this time.

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Originally Posted by Sass

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Jack was wrong about them not being able to be killed,

Not exactly.

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This episode revealed something BIG — the only way a candidate/someone touched by Jacob can die is to be killed by another candidate. The man in black can't kill them, nobody else can kill them and accidental deaths can't kill them. The second Sawyer yanked the wire out of the bomb and set the timer going, though, the blame for their deaths was no longer MiB's; it was his.

Sawyer killed Sun, Jin and Sayid. If Hurley and Jack hadn't made it out of the sub themselves, they'd be dead. Since candidates/Jacob-touched people can't kill themselves, though (as shown with Richard with the dynamite a few episodes back), Sawyer would have survived no matter what. If nobody had touched the bomb, it would have ticked down to zero and nothing would have happened. If Lapidus or Kate had yanked the wire out out, again, nothing would have happened.

This is the "loophole" the man in black talked about in his first appearance. He can't kill the candidates, but he can get them to kill one another... Until there's only one left.

Doesn't explain why there are apparently some ex-candidates who are still alive, though (e.g. Kate).

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Originally Posted by sprouticus

Don't forget Frank "Aw Hell" Lapidus.

And the submarine pilot and the other guy, but I was mainly going for important characters.

Sorry, Frank

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I was speaking idiomatically.

Oh god how many motifs/themes/dichotomies can you cram into a single fucking episode. Good/evil. Nature/nurture. Faith/science. White/black. Yin/yang. ET FUCKING CETERA.

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Seems like they're trying to cover their tracks re: the events of the first couple of seasons and still keep everything vague/unexplained. It came out in a recent interview that they didn't have the show's mythology properly established until halfway through the second season, so as Sprout said, the whole adam-and-eve explanation reeked of smugness.

Still. Good episode, if a little cheesy. Explained a bit about the original inhabitants of the island. Thought they skirted around MiB's name rather elegantly. I'm not one of the people who wants everything to be explained — I'm happy with there being a couple of leftover abstract mysteries when all is said and done.

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So, is Jacob really incapable of lying, or is he just one of those people who's not good at it? That would make a huge difference, seeing as how he explained a lot of things to Richard in Ab Aeterno. If he's incapable of lying, then those things he explained to Richard are true.

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I don't think anything Jacob's ever said has been a lie. He hasn't been shown to be dishonest in any of his appearances — the confrontation with Ben in the statue, his post-death conversations with Hurley, the times he appeared to the candidates as kids, et cetera. Whether he's incapable of lying or just unwilling, it's safe to say Jacob never lies.

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Remember how Claudia came back from the dead to visit MiB? How do we know that wasn't the smoke monster coming back to manipulate him into killing that psycho bitch, much like how the smoke monster came back as Alex to manipulate Ben into killing Jacob?

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I'm thinking it's a similar situation with Hurley's visions of the dead. It's been established that MiB is stuck in the form of John Locke now, so we know that appearances of dead people are exactly what they seem. I believe that MiB's encounter with Claudia was legitimate.

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Claudia Procula is the name of Pontius Pilate's wife. Claudia is the name of Jacob's real mother. The time frame would fit almost perfectly.

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Ooh, I like this. The writers have room for creative liberties with history, too, seeing as the details of Pilate's later life are largely apocryphal.

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Why the hell does the smoke monster sound mechanical in the earlier seasons? Is it just imitating sounds its learned?

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Not sure about this one. It definitely made its trademark whirrr-chik-chik-chik noise when it was flying out of the magical grotto, though.

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Far-fetched: Cerberus was the three-headed dog that guarded Hades in greek mythology. In one of the past seasons, they referred to the smoke monster as Cerberus. You can run with that in a lot of different directions, but it's been fairly consistent that the smoke monster is supposed to protect to island, even if it doesn't want to. Maybe Jacob was right and it IS guarding the gates of hell, only now it wants to let everything out. If they're in limbo (the outermost circle of hell, considered to be the true gate to hell), then the smoke monster would truly be guarding the gates of hell. The light could be the mouth of hell, or the gate of hell, or just where the smoke monster (cerberus) sleeps. Probably way off, but interesting thinking nonetheless.

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Actually, this makes sense when you consider how Jacob described the island to Richard: A "cork" preventing darkness from escaping into the rest of the world. The Cerberus analogy continues to hold water if you think of the cave of light as comparable to the mouth of hell.

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The writers have stated that Walt is going to come back in Season 6. Maybe we'll finally have an explanation about The Others, baby stealing, Walt's supposed special powers, and more.

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This has been bugging me, too. Seems like a plotline they abandoned a while back — the only recent development was confirmation of the fact that the statue was of Taweret, an Egyptian fertility goddess, which implies that the Egyptians who lived on the island sometime between the events of the last episode and the present day knew something was up with people making babies on the island.

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Who's that little kid who keeps punking Flocke? It's played by the same actor as child Jacob.

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Jacob magically reincarnated something something something the Force.

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Can you guys imagine how good this show would have been if it had decent writers? Maybe we wouldn't be watching this out of obligation.

I sort of feel this way too. It's faltering pretty strongly in terms of story arcs and character development right now. Unless they have plans to wrap everything up sharpish I have a feeling we're in for a letdown. One of the few redeeming things of the past season has been that the dialogue is generally top-notch, though.

oh god spoiler tags everywhere

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Over the past few days there've been a bunch of preview events where people got to watch tomorrow's episode, and as a result there are summaries and shit online now. Be warned.

General opinion is that it's supposedly one of the most rewarding episodes of the series and nobody has anything bad to say about it. Keeping my hopes up.

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I was under the impression that they threw the mythos together and developed an outline for the rest of the show once they realised that they had a huge hit on their hands and that it wouldn't be cancelled after its first season. Pretty sure they said in a recent interview that everything's been set in stone since about halfway through the third season (when they announced that 2010 would be its end date).

As long as it all comes together in the end, the make-it-up-as-you-go-along ethos doesn't bother me in the slightest. This is why Battlestar Galactica ultimately wound up pissing me off — they were winging it all the way into the last couple of episodes, and left so many goddamn loose ends that they felt that a spinoff series and a clusterfuck of a TV movie were necessary to keep things coherent. (The movie accomplished the exact opposite of what they intended, and I haven't bothered watching Caprica at all yet.)

Anyway. As soon as tonight's ep is done airing in the states I'm staying away from forums and the like until I've watched it.

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man FUCK lord of the rings they never explained WHY the ring had to be destroyed in mount doom of all places, how did that work????

also how did gandalf and saruman's rivalry start?? tolkien was such a hack

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I wasn't thrilled with the ending, but I'm satisfied. At least it didn't quite get to BSG levels of cop-out.

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