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Originally Posted by Bradylama

The fact that libertarians have known about these letters for a long time but their support has only waned once it's become an MSM talking point is very telling about the dangers of personality cults.

I doubt this fine bit of propaganda is aimed at libertarians. It's aimed at progressives who are breaking off from the Democrat candidates to support Paul, or openly calling for a break with the Democrats because of the War. The liberals must be pretty worried about losing progressive support. They probably should be. The Republicans really got hurt politically when Roosevelt pulled them out of the party.

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Originally Posted by Bradylama

Not sure if I'm breaking this to you, but this isn't propaganda. Everything I know about Rockwell and the Mises Institute suggests that Paul is probably a neoconfederate, especially considering his We The People Act.

Again. This little bit in the New Republic is meant to discredit progressives calling for support of Paul. That's where the real propaganda resides. It's aimed at under-minding progressives supporting Paul.

"HOW DARE THEY SUPPORT A CANDIDATE THAT IS SO RACIST, ANTI-CHOICE, ANTI-IMMIGRANT, VOTE DEMOCRAT!"

Libertarians have no other viable candidate to support. Progressives on the other hand are a different story.

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Originally Posted by RABicle

Ok look, I've seen you describe yourself as a progressive several times. Could you please clarify your core stances and whatnot and why you identify yourself as progressive? Maybe I've been incorrectly thinking of you as a massive right winger. Progressives fight for things like animal and gay rights and whatnot right?

Oh no, I'm not trying to describe myself as a progressive. I don't think I have said anything to the contrary either. Just because I read their stuff doesn't make me one.

And yeah progressives fight for that kinda stuff. As well as certain state issues like Death with Dignity or Medicinal Marijuana laws which are very agreeable to my mindset. Despite being a Republican.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Arainach

Kucinich is everything everyone loves about Paul minus the batshit insanity.

This is what I don't get. Why are all these lefties supporting Paul when Kucinich or even Gravel share their anti-war views, and align with their other issues?

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Originally Posted by Bradylama

Gravel supports the Fair Tax.

So does Huckabee and a lot of other conservatives. The Fair Tax is something a lot of left and right wingers can agree on. Just for different reasons.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

Kucinich endorses a bill that would ban psychotronic space weapons.

Dude, we're totally gonna need those against the aliens.

I was speaking idiomatically.

The Fair Tax wouldn't shift the burden to the impoverished. They would benefit from monthly "tax rebates" that would essentially constitute a form of social welfare. Hence some liberals support the legislation. This isn't a liberal/conservative issue.

I don't see how it is even a class issue. It would even out the tax burden based on personal consumption habits. Not discriminating against how much you make, but how much you spend. Except for those that are in poverty and of need of social assistance. It would also abolish redundant taxes, and simplify the tax system. I would like the Fair Tax system more if I didn't think it was a knee-jerk reaction to current economic events.

That being said, I'm not too comfortable with the Fair Tax. It absolutely reeks of the ideology of some neo-liberal economist. It also might make it easier for local/state/federal governments to jack up tax rates across the board. Simplicity has it's drawbacks.

Originally Posted by a lurker

FairTax punishes people for spending their money.

So?

Capital gains taxes punishes investing.
Payroll taxes are redundant. In that they're already taxed as an income tax.

I can keep going if you want. Pointing out flaws in the current system is easy.

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