Civil War in Iraq?

I sure hope so. Anything that make's it easier to get to the oil.

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Originally Posted by neothe0ne

Iraq wasn't really theatening us with Saddam in power.

Not from a military standpoint, but economically he was. Saddam made the mistake of opening a oil trading market in euros, threatening the supremacy of the petrodollar. He had to go. For more examples; See Iran.

Originally Posted by neothe0ne

our ports don't need to be sold to the United Arab Emirates. Why does Bush insist?

It could be collateral. For a attack on Iran perhaps? Naw couldn't be. I don't know what possessed me to think of that!

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Originally Posted by KrazyTaco

It's actually probably best they end up in a civil war. These guys just got out of a totalarian government, and you expect them to up and move to democracy just like that? It seems the current administration is at least hinting at the efforts in Iraq akin to the American Revoultion, but there are key differences.

Yes, because that is the white man's burden no?

Originally Posted by KrazyTaco

1) Americans wanted to change (see Acro-nym's post)

A minority of Americans wanted independence from Britain. Read a history book. Particularly about the first Continental Congress.

Originally Posted by KrazyTaco

2) Americans didn't have a ton of factions who wanted to kill each other)

Which is why Loyalist Americans fought on the side of the British Monarchy. Or how about Shay's Rebellion? Whiskey Rebellion?

Originally Posted by KrazyTaco

3) Americans weren't Muslim

On point #3, what I mean is, does the Muslim religion even leave a chance for democracy? If someone disagrees with you religiously, he is an infidel and must be killed. Democracy is more or less based around the principles of freedom isn't it? Correct me if Im wrong, but I figure the religion the majority of Iraqi's hold to is just in-hospitable to a democratic system.

And the Iraqi Kurds were somehow able to govern themselves even under Saddam. Religion doesn't have much to do with these things.

Originally Posted by KrazyTaco

Even if they could pull a democratic system, even America had to go through a civil war eventually. If anything, a civil war will end up causing the various factions to see the mess they've gotten themselves into, and will only strengthen them and foster a new enviorment for a democratic system.

Iraq is a set of lines drawn on a map by Western Imperialists about a 100 years ago. 'Iraqi's' of Kurdish descent, Shi'ite descent, and Sunni descent have very little in common.

If anything a civil war would cause Iraq to end up like Yugoslavia. Ethnic cleansing and all. But as I said in my first post; who cares. Whatever make's it easier to get to the oil.
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Originally Posted by Kalekkan

In the case of a civil war, Iraq may end up like Yugoslavia but there is also the possibility of bordering nations attempting to annex or conquer a divided Iraq.

You're probably right. If the Kurds declared the establishment of their own country Turkey would have no choice but to invade. It's sizable Kurdish minority has already been stirring up trouble. Not to mention the territorial disputes the Kurds would start in Iraq itself.

Originally Posted by Yggdrasil

Whoever bombed that Shi'ite mosque obviously wanted to see Iraq split down the lines of religion and break apart in a civil war, (and I quote the Colbert Report on this) and a civil war is a war between two peoples, meaning we can't be involved with it,

Sure we can. A civil war doesn't necessarily have to between religous groups now does it? It could be the Iraqis that support occupation vs the Iraqis that don't support a Coalition Army stationing itself in the country.

Originally Posted by Yggdrasil

exit strategy anybody?

Can we please stop with this exit strategy crap? It's okay for the average dipshit to gobble down these mind numbing soundbytes off CNN or Fox News, but aren't we all a little smarter then that? Withdrawl is not a strategy. It is a command. A command that'll be issued sometime around never.

Originally Posted by Yggdrasil

After all if the insurgents start killing themselves then theres no real reason for us to be there right?

Not in the middle of the killing no. Let's just let the brown people kill the brown people. Saves American lives after all.

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Originally Posted by Rock

But the civil war we're discussing here is between religious groups.

So you're on the ground in Iraq and can tell me that for sure? I've read otherwise. In the Guardian (U.K. newspaper) there was a particularly interesting article that quoted Sadr as to saying that "No Sunni would do this" in relation to the demolition of a recently demolished Shi'ite shrine.

Cui bono?

I was speaking idiomatically.