South Dakota bans most abortions

Originally Posted by RacinReaver

To me it's kinda like with prohibition. I can't figure for the life of me figure out how those temperists would have their rights taken away by the drunken hordes when, you know, they don't drink alcohol and aren't being forced to.

It really is easy. The government should outlaw any issue of questionable moral judgement. Enforcing your morals on someone else is as old as Christianity.

Plus, we're gonna need all the soldiers we can get.

Originally Posted by knkwzrd

I think the issue we're arguing over here is more democracy than abortion. I mean, if democracy is working, then the majority of people in whatever state are against abortion. Now, to make a generalization, most pro-lifers equate abortion with murder..

And most pro-lifers are for the death penalty. So, like how can you be pro-life if you're for the death penalty?!

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Cat9

Thats cause babies=good, convicts=bad.

Yeah I guess. It's still state sanctioned murder. Let's teach all those convicts that killing is wrong by killing them!

But somebody's gotta finish the war in Iraq.

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Originally Posted by knkwzrd

I agree. Just playing devil's advocate.



Send the convicts to Iraq. In two hundred years, it'll be just like Australia.

We're kinda doing all that already. With the relaxed Army recruiting standards of allowing people with multiple felonies on their record join up.

I don't think they'll be up to snuffs though. So bring on the baby soldiers.

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Originally Posted by Devo

This is typically an issue that will never be resolved but women get abortions with or without clinics.

True, but c'mon this is South Dakota here. There's only one abortion clinic in the whole state.

Originally Posted by Devo

I'd rather have clean procedures done by trained professionals than hear about back alley coat-hanger up the cooch deaths rising.

They could still have their abortions professionally done. Just go to Canada... because you only have to be conservative while you're still in America.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Niekon

Technically... two... at least two Planned Parenthood locations that I could determinefrom their site... but a ton of them in Minnesota (who knew?). One on each side of the state. Now trying to track one down in North Dakota... that's a pain in the ass ^_~

Ahah! Well you now have bragging rights about the disinformation that the BBC spreads. If you can prove they're wrong anyway.

Originally Posted by Niekon

But nothing says that you have to go to Planned Parenthood either... I know Kaiser will perform them as well (who kew? I know I didn't until I was reading through my benefits package one day)... so I'm sure there are other locations that perform this procedure as well.

Yes, but Kaiser may not keep that terminated pregnancy on the 'down'lo' if you know what I mean. Planned Parenthood is pretty good about not telling anyone. Has a proven track record. It's almost as good as having a pregnancy terminated in another country.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Cat9

Quite a presumptuous statement dont you think? Once again, if pro-lifers cannot act upon thier own beliefs, then are they really free?

His point is that you're free to act in any way you want to. What you're not free to do is to deny or otherwise limit other people's decisions.

Pro-Lifers aren't having their babies forcefully aborted now are they? Well at least not in this country. I've heard they do that in China.

Originally Posted by Zio

Pro-lifers think that allowing abortation is forcing wrong beliefs on everyone.

Pro-choice thinks that not allowing is.

And that pretty much sums up everything, except the whole "baby soldiers" thing.

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Originally Posted by Cat9

So what youre saying is that pro-lifers should become pro-choice? Isnt that (youre quote) the definition of pro-choice?

I'm not really saying anything. Merely trying to clarify what somebody else said. I just support the status quo. It pleases nobody. It doesn't have to. It works.

States are free to put whatever limits they deem necessary, yet they lack the power to outright ban them.

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Anyone else notice how you don't hear about these morality topics during years where there isn't elections? I wonder why that is.

So, how does it feel to be manipulated as tools of a political agenda?

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Bradylama

Wonderful.

Make's you feel good now doesn't it? Honestly I doubt I'd have much trouble telling you which side will vote Republican and which side will vote Democrat. I doubt you would either.

Originally Posted by Minion

Well, I also think everything should be legislated from the federal level. States are an outdated concept.

Then you've just underminded our system of checks and balances. I couldn't think of a better way to kill the American Republic.

This is why abortion is a important issue. Not because of morality, religon, or rights. But because we're trying to maintain a balance of government.

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Originally Posted by Lord Styphon

Checks and balances go beyond merely the different branches of government. The different levels of government also play a major role, as do the levels and types of law.

Bingo. Which is why everytime the State of Oregon brings precedents such as; "doctor assisted suicides of the terminally ill" or "legalization of medicinal marijuana", the Federal Government is on one side, and the State of Oregon stands on the other. And it always make's it to the Supreme Court.

Originally Posted by Minion

The only thing I see happening with this system is extreme polarization, which degerates social issues into political battles that are more about staying in office than doing the right thing.

One of the big reasons why social issues degrade into political battles is because of politicians actions, especially around election time. They typically appeal to people's ego. Quite effective too. If you believe you're in the right, you certainly won't harbor much sympathy for the other side's perspective. Or any other perspective. You are right, and everyone else is wrong. Which is the basis on which I called everybody 'tools of a political agenda'. Although I'm just as guilty as anyone in that regard.

Unfortunately abortion is a much bigger issue then that. Hence, I said morality, religion, and rights don't really have anything to do with it. Furthermore in cases that define our system's balance of power there is no 'right answer', except maintaining the status quo that's been established. Which is unlikely to change under ANY Supreme Court.

Nobody wins, nobody's happy. But the fight goes on... but only during election years.

Originally Posted by Lord Styphon

Oddly enough, the extreme polarization on the social issue of abortion, which has turned it into the kind of political battle you described, began when the central government imposed a solution on the country.

A solution needed to be imposed regardless of the long term consequences. Still doesn't make it any less ironic.

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