[Wii] Super Smash Bros. Brawl Tournament Discussion

Originally Posted by Colonel Spreadsheet

Do you guys want me to implement a poll about this? It might be easier to track what the general consensus is, then.

Oh, please do so. After 4 pages, we'll just go over what EVERYONE wants again. Just starting with rules... Do we want to record everything, or not...

Then items... Stages... The whole kit and kaboodle.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

It's been a long day, but I'm not even sure where we all stand on this, so it's just best to slap a poll on this baby to see what everyone wants and then we can start to finalize this.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Even wackier, each participant throws in some sort of rule card that we use throughout the league. Each week, the last place clan chooses two cards. These rules would be in effect for the next week.

I like where this idea is going.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Well, we'll just start with rules right now:

It's either:

Recording Option: 3 stock, 3 minutes
Non-Recording Option: 4 stock, 8 minutes
Other (Please notify)

I was speaking idiomatically.

I totally agree with that. Items are affected by this also, but just more importantly since this seems to be the big thing.

3 stock, 3 minutes or 4 stock, 8 minutes?

Once we get this settled, I think we can get the ball rolling.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Added a little manual poll in the first post. I too vote for 4 stock, 8 minutes.

FELIPE NO

Just on the 4 stock, 8 minutes. Matches NEVER usually last that long, the 8 minutes is usually just a safety cushion for the 4 stock. It would seem a little challenging to attempt at KOing someone with only 3 minutes on the clock. Meaning, you would have to beat up someone in less than a minute in order to finish with a Game Set.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

That's a lot of letters, Slash.

But Saka, stages are randomized themselves also. Once the two players choose a stage, one stage is chosen out of the two and the players fight on there.

As Slash said, we wanna keep this simple, but I want this to be unique also. With sprout's idea, we can make these weekly battles more interesting by making them even more unpredictable with the implementation of the rule cards. They're basically the voice of the participants and each week, two voices are randomly heard. I honestly don't think that anyone has ever implemented a system like this in a tournament, so it could be interesting when it finally takes effect.

No one seems heavily against them and if everyone agrees to them, then we can finally get the ball rolling with this tournament.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Kesubei

I vote for 3 minutes, 3 stock. I wanna see replays.



Hmm, that'd be interesting, but I think it would be better if we kept banned stages out completely. People are already talking about how complicated things are getting and adding the possibility of 'banned stages that may not be completely banned' just adds to the complexity.

...Not sure if that came across as well as I would have liked.

immp's SSBB Risk is a completely different side project. o_o

The idea was tossed up, but I don't actually think we're implementing it into the league battles or anything.

But for anyone who still doesn't get how I wanna implement the Rule Card system...

Week One is finished, and here are the standings:

Incredible Crisis: 10 pts. [1-0] [Incredible Crisis win all 5 of their matches in a sweep]
Weeaboos: 6 pts. [1-0] [Weeaboos win in a 3-2 match]
Warp Stars: 4 pts [0-1] [Warp Stars lose in a 2-3 match]
Drill Dozers: 0 pts [0-1] [Drill Dozers get sweeped in all 5 of their matches]

Oh! The Drill Dozers are in last place. They get to choose two rule sets randomly out of the pool or rule sets!

Rule Pool... That sounded corny.:

1:

All bomb items (Smart Bombs, Explosive Crates, Bob-ombs, excluding Pokemon) must be turned on.

2:

Only Mario related stages can be chosen

3:

Only characters introduced in Melee can be used [Peach, Bowser, Ice Climbers, Falco, Ganon...]

4:

Assist Trophies and Final Smashes are the only items that can be used.

5:

No items

6:

Only Brawl Stages can be chosen

The Drill Dozers would send a PM into me choosing two numbers between 1 and 6. In this case, let's say, they chose 3 and 6.

In this case, next week's rule set would be restricted to only using Melee Characters and Brawl Stages.

Something like that. Although, just to prevent two rule sets from contradicting each other, I'll probably seperate all the rule sets in to categories (items, stages, characters)...

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Yay, another edit.

Anyway, I was talking to Slash a little while ago. He said that he wanted to use the 3/3 rule set for his tournament. Just so whoever earns the clan leader positions can look back on these videos and then review who they want to draft for their clans and stuff... Since he has that point system that gives you points based on how many KOs occured, his system works for that kind of thing.

Following the tournament, we could either switch to the 4/8 or stick to the 3/3. Keep in mind, we have to account for lag that happens during league matches. Should we have only 3 minutes, the lag could get a little shaky and you might/might not be able to get a KO off in time. I'm not basing my system off on how many KOs you get, but rather who wins the matches themselves (in a best of 3 match). So as of now, the poll is for the league matches. If anyone needs to reconsider, please do so.

But if you wanna keep the 3/3 format for the League matches, so be it. I might even reconsider. Who knows?

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Jeez, fine.

League Format:

4 stock, 8 minutes
Items On - Low
All Stages

Happy? Forget the rule card system. Forget doing replays. We'll just do battles normally. We'll just run the rule cards in on another tournament. Don't like it? I tried, but everyone's getting at me for trying to make this a people's tournament.

Personally, I don't want items or certain stages on. People beg to differ, so I'll take a part of what I want, and a little of what everyone else wants.



If you want me to record matches, please tell me some sort of program I could use or something, besides the replay system, since I'm finding it a bit restrictive.

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Originally Posted by Sakabadger

So... tournament winners = top x seeded players = head of x clans = drafting lower seeded players. Is that how it's going to work?

I'm still kinda thinking about it... I might just number everyone randomly and the clan leaders choose someone out of it...

Otherwise, we actually draft people. The lower seed winners choose first or something like that, and we repeat...

I'll think about it. o_o

BTW, Rotor, are you participating in this?

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Rotorblade

If you're talking, you're a target. As long as what I contribute is constructive, and if I am going to join in on your shenanigans there's no reason why I shouldn't have some influence early on.

Well you should've mentioned that earlier before any of us started to get at you for butting in on something that you weren't even technically in yet. I probably would've flipped a shit on you if I didn't ask that question.

And I said this sometime before it got lost in the mess, but I might do the draft, I might not. Most likely, I'll let you choose your own teams since I really don't wanna seem unfair. I'm hoping is that all the good players won't all flock together. Nothing's worse than everyone not having a fair chance since that seems to be a big deal here.

What I'm trying to aim for in this is even teams, odd members... Hopefully we could at least hit 20 people in total for this tournament and league. Tournament might be a little off in seeding, but it will even out the teams pretty well, not leaving any team in a bye during any week. Should we get anyone over that, we're gonna have to boot to 30 so we could get the same result.

How ya doing, buddy?

Well, I personally don't see the point of you debating the matter if you weren't gonna participate. I'd think you would just be instigating at that point.

I've run a tournament that was more restrictive than this and had at least 50 participants. I got less complaints out of them than I did with the 13 currently participating. Restrictive, but it was all in the sense of fairness. Everyone in that tournament thought it was fair, and everyone had fun with it. We only had used only 5 stages, but they were all stages that didn't interfere with the fighting going on and every piece of damage recieved was from your opponent.

With you bantering "Anything goes! Anything goes!", I have my own reasons for ignoring it the whole time. Since, one, you STILL technically aren't participating, and two, I've been in a tournament situation before, it's not like I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm more interested in what the participants have to say before someone comes barging in yelling your "Pro Tips"

In any sense, it is FAIR to have no items and ban certain stages and STILL have FUN. Most of the complaints I have been getting have been from people who aren't even participating (you, Skills, Mo0, Tails...), so I really never saw any point on listening to any of you guys since this isn't affecting any of you in any form or way. Complain all you want, but you're not the ones fighting here. Hell, I might even change my mind on the rules if some of these stupid debates are gonna go on.

I will ban the stages I mentioned, and I will turn items off. Don't like it at that point? Don't participate! I've tried to be nice about it, and since people want me to put my hand down, I will.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Well, I'll wait for some more participants to sign up. If we can at least get 20, then we're good to start! And curse your paper fan, CN. I saw that video.

I'll just close this thread since the people who aren't participating are just gonna be the ones who keep bickering.

kthxbye.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Sakabadger

Why is this open again?

(Thanks for deleting Saka's post. <_< I mean really. <_<)

I really don't see why this discussion needs to continue when I've pretty much said what I wanted to do in this tournament. I don't see any other discussion that needs to go on here.

The intent of this thread was supposed to be about the participants talking about what we wanted in the tournament. Instead, I end up seeing it become a breeding ground for everyone not participating calling us tourneyfags.

Honestly, looking through this thread. It was most of the non-participants that threw up most of the discussion about how we didn't need to ban anything. It wasn't until Page 3 that Lukage and Rotorblade decided to step in and start instigating on the situation and talk about how some how talking about what we want in a tournament is unreasonable.

Sprout then tosses in the idea of the Rule Cards and as much as we try to talk about it, Saka continues the chat about how hard it was to call "Anything Goes" in this tournament, when the participants themselves were trying to work on a system WE could use.

Shit really didn't blow out of proportion until Mo0 stepped in and said we're over complicating the situation. Sure that happened, but it's for the good of the participants since we're the ones who are actually fighting in this tournament. Not Rotorblade (at the moment anyway), not Lukage, not Mo0, none of you are actually participating in this in damn tournament.

So let me ask you this:

What the fuck are you doing in this thread?

As I've said before, this thread was supposed to be about the participants talking about what we wanted in the tournament. I didn't need this to become a thread where all the haters of Smashboards needed to come and mock us for actually wanting to ban stages or turn off items. That's why I asked the participants what they wanted, we didn't need you guys to talk about how unreasonable it is for someone who signed up to talk about it.

Well, thanks a lot, though! What started out as a normal thread about what we wanna do in this tournament turned into a discussion about how the non-participants actually criticize the participants about what they wanted to do in their own tournament! Good job, haters.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

I can't exactly get this off the ground since we don't really have enough people to run the whole tournament yet. It's been a little less than two weeks since Brawl has come out, and I wanted to wait until more people got it, so anyone who decides their interested in this could enter.

I never planned to start it immediately to begin with. I wanted to use this thread so we can plan out every aspect of the tournament/league so there would be no complaints and everyone would agree to everything that was set up. Instead, I get people complaining about how banning stages is unfair and getting constantly pressured to start this as soon as I can.

Sure, there was complication along they way, but that's pretty much the point of this thread. Sprout's idea of the rule card system was a discussion about how we could plan this out if we used it in the tournament. If we used it, this is how it would go. But since all I get are complaints that it's over complicating things, I'm forced to drop the idea even in the planning stages of this whole thing.

It's not like I never appreciated your help, Skills, but you were also one of the ones pressuring me to get this tournament somewhere. You kept saying the rules and stages debate was going nowhere, but it was basically the other non-participants who were making the participants discussion about the rules sound worse that they were. And as for Rotor, I finally call his "Pro Tip", and I still hear shit from him.

I'm really tired of people criticizing what this whole thread was about. Yes, we're debating about rules, but that's the fucking point of this thread. It's the Tournament Discussion thread so we could discuss EVERYTHING about the tournament at hand, not a "This isn't Smashboards and you sound like fags talking about banned stages" thread.

What I would appreciate is me being able to make a new thread where I won't hear anything about how stupid banning stages or leaving items on sounds stupid and I could strictly talk to the participants about what they want for the tournament. If I could get that, then maybe this tournament could actually get somewhere.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

I'll be honest again.

I already called the rule set on Anything Goes with Items on Low and 4/8. What more do you expect from me on this one?

I'm just waiting for people to sign up at this point so then we could finally get this thing started. <_<

I kinda sense the lack of sign-ups because I feel there's some sort of grudge against me and you feel I have an inability to actually run a decent tournament. I don't like fighting with Anything Goes rules on, I don't think it's fair to everyone, and there's basically no way to turn me around from it. But because most of the people participating and not participating want it that way, fine, I'll live with it for the sake for this tournament if you thing it would get the ball rolling with this.

So saying that, we haven't had a sign-up since 10:58 AM EST. I called the rule set at 3:40 PM EST.

Even after the whole debate, I sense that people still aren't happy with this rule set and therefore not signing up. Any other problems so I can get some sign-ups on this thing? You know, because the whole point of this thread is to talk about that kind of thing.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Well, I dropped that idea since everyone wanted an Anything Goes thing. I settled for that, and I'm over the whole banning thing since people don't want it.

If you do wanna sign up, go for it. Repeating again, it is:

4 stock, 8 minutes
All Stages
Items On - Low

I honestly don't know what else I could change to make people sign up. This is as fair as I could get it to satisfy everyone. So at this point, it's either you do or you don't. Just don't think I'm still trying to get stages banned. I'm over it now, and I just want to get this thing started once we hit the 20 participants mark.

If you have any other questions, feel free to ask about it.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I'll just repeat what I said in the Smash thread:

Quote:

If people wanna just do a normal tournament, that's perfectly fine with me. I understand that everyone is in a state of confusion after the whole tourneyfag debate back in the discussion thread. I'll close up the discussion thread, and ask Slash to close up the sign-up thread, create a new one for just so we could have March Smashness before March ends and there will be no tournament/league talk involved. Just a normal, "let's duke it out" tournament where everyone could have fun.

The rules will be:

4 stock, 8 minutes
All Items On - Low
All Stages

No debates saying that this is unfair either. I just want to have a Smash tournament where people could have fun, since that was my original intention of this whole thing anyway. Either you sign up, or you don't. I'll think of some sort of cut-off date so we can get it started.

So closed this thread goes again. I'll post the new thread sometime later.
Please don't kill me, Skills ;_;

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?