[SotW] Song of the Week - WEEK 109 Voting/WEEK 110 Nominating

I will nominate the first qualifying track that comes up on iPod random. After a Wild Arms track, a Megadeth song, a Van Halen song, another Wild Arms song and a doujin remix of Heatman's theme, the bastard nomination will be:

Hamel...From Legend of Heroes VI SC
Discs: 1 (of 2)
Track 20
Composed by: Falcom Sound Team JDK
Info: Chudah's Corner - Legend of Heroes ~ Sora No Kiseki SC Original Soundtrack
Add. Info: Totally random pick from my "songs" pool on my iPod (ALL songs, not favorites). Doesn't even sound like something I'd nominate (though it's actually a reprisal of something I've nominated in the past...go figure). Hopefully it will do well.
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Originally Posted by orion_mk3

Nomination
Album: Children of Mana
Catalog Number: N/A (iTunes exclusive)
Track: Monster of the Forest
Disc: 1 (of 2)
Track: 13
Released On: May 9, 2006
Composed By: Takayuki Aihara
Published By: iTunes
Source(s): #gamemp3's

Hmm, so you'd object to something from a lesser-heard Megaman soundtrack, but would nominate something from a lesser-heard Mana soundtrack. That's...interesting.

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3 pts - Stage 2
2 pts - Castle in the Sky (Cotton 2 had the weakest soundtrack from the main games in the series, but it still had some gems like this one)
1 pts - Oxyd - Title (probably more interesting than it should be due to the synth, which is nice...Definitely a grower)

Pretty cut and dry week. I remembered the name 1 Plus 1 Equal 1, but it wasn't among the Alphabet Planet tracks I saved...Like much of the album, it was indicative of Kikuta, but very generic otherwise. Wanted to like "if it dies", but the beat started getting on my nerves. Stage 2 is my 3rd favorite T's Music track (after "Dark City" and "Evil Monastary" from Gate of Thunder and Lords of Thunder, respectively).

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Originally Posted by orion_mk3

If you'd actually read my earlier post, you'd have seen that I didn't object to any of the more obscure Mega Man gaidens, just main classic/GB/X series entries.

Despite it being a total waste of my time, I read it in its' entirety...What's your point? You were the one that raised the stink that nominating from a familiar series would "open the gates" for more people to follow, so doesn't nominating from the Mana series indicate the same thing?

Originally Posted by You, from last week's SOTW thread

The one thing that would worry me is making Crash's track a precedent for getting widely-known tracks from the series snuck into SotW thanks to people seeing the "MM5" tag and nothing else.

Just pointing out a glaring discrepency. I could easily argue that it's not obscure enough based on association (much like you did), but I know better because it didn't exactly light the world on fire upon release. I don't care if anyone else objects to the pick and I won't demand a validation poll or anything, but you can't raise a stink about "Megaman" and then turn around and come back with "Mana" without drawing an eyebrow.

And it's worth pointing out that quite a few of those MM entries you just mentioned that you would oppose haven't gotten soundtrack releases and Children of Mana (along with every Mana game ever released) did and one (Rockman and Forte) wasn't even released in the US until long after the series' flame died out (on the GBA). And when was the last serious Megaman V GB discussion you remember?

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In addition, the track "Longing" from the album was already nominated, so there's precedent.

I assume whoever nominated it didn't openly object to another series based solely on namebrand the week before doing it. Unless you were the one who nominated it...in which case, I'll stand corrected.

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Originally Posted by orion_mk3

I don't see how the popularity of a game and an official release (or lack thereof) are related.

A: No one plays the game because the game either isn't released in US or no one cares about the game because its' low-profile and/or terrible.

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B: No official release, ensuring limited exposure to game's music. And even then, people might not care about the music.

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You can't really call the game's music "well-known", despite any pedigree it may have. Hence, it is "not popular". Which is where the latter classic Megamans would fall into (especially 8 and Rockman/Forte and V on the GB)

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I said that I'd oppose the GB series because I'm very familiar with it; if it turns out I'm the only one, then my opposition doesn't mean much and the thing will work itself out.

I take it you're also familiar with the Mana series (in fact, I KNOW you're familiar with the Mana series). How does MM qualify for "too popular" and the Mana series not?

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There are plenty of counterexamples; Beyond Good and Evil, for instance. But it's a completely incidental issue; people can become familiar with a game's music by playing it, whether there's an OST or even a rip (BG&E is again a good example).

No kidding...Ever wonder why they didn't get to making a BG&E sequel? BG&E, I wouldn't oppose, but I'd point out it had two songs that made top 16 in a BSC and one that won gold in SOTW. I think if it had a soundtrack released or if more people had played it, I'd vote "nay". As is...2 tracks from it aren't going to make me declare it well-known.

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As I said before, I think that the main series should be off-limits but gaidens are fine. Children of Mana (which I have never played) is a gaiden, not part of the main series, as is MM X Command Mission and the other MM tracks that have been put up for SoTW. Therefore, they're eligible as far as I'm concerned.

How is it determined the GB games aren't considered a gaiden of sorts? Not that MM has much of a canon anymore, but I don't see them fitting in the classic series. And the X series WAS a spinoff of the original series to begin with.

As a counterexample, I wouldn't oppose a Dawn of Mana track simply because it was "Seiken Densetsu IV". I don't think anyone gave a damn about that soundtrack upon release. Considering the concentrated lengths Square is going to pimp this series now (much like KH and Final Fantasy), I don't know if I'd differentiate between "main series" and "gaiden" quite so easily. I just know the only two Mana soundtracks I'd directly oppose would be SD2 and SD3.

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You obviously disagree; fine. If the issue ever comes up, our votes will cancel each other out and everyone else will decide what's eligible. Let's leave it at that.

Yeah, it ain't so much fun when people make a concentrated effort to find stuff to bitch about, so I figured I'd give you a taste of your own medicine, while making the point that the SOTW "eligibility" based on obscurity is often borderline BS in the process. I was going to point out Stage 2 is hardly what I would consider "thrash" or "thrashing", but the Mana thing in light of last week's Megaman discussion was much more glaring.

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And I never tire of finding the inconsistancies and inherent juvenile biases in your arguments. It gets to be sort of a minigame after awhile...

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?