[PS3] Plan on owning a PS3?

I voted for owning one down the line...Once the library has diversified with at least 10 or so killer games I want (hell, once I can NAME a game I want on it) and once the price for the "good" unit drops to around $300. Also, once I feel the need to "upgrade"...Which I don't see happening soon, since PS2 has plenty of upcoming games and a massive backlog as is and both Wii and 360 offer more compelling content ATM anyway.

I really do wonder if the day when it will be worth my time to buy a PS3 will ever come. The PS2 launch was a joke as it was, but Sony's really digging themselves a hole now.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Slayer X

As for launch of the PS3, technically it's Sony's best launch yet by FAR. Sales are almost double that of when the PS2 launched, and the games for the PS3 are 500X better then the PS2 launch titles. With the NA launch really just a soft launch and the Euro launch the true launch the real beginning of the system, things are looking a lot brighter for the PS3 then they looked for the PS2 when it launched, and look where it went.

Funny, I was thinking the exact opposite...I thought the PS3 launch games made the awful PS2 launch look brilliant by comparison. And I don't really see how the European launch can be considered the "true" launch, considering the system was originally just delayed there.

Eh, I think PS2 launch was still much better...You had a $300 system with a viable purpose (DVD player) compared to a $600 system with a purpose that a small minority cares about (Blu Ray, which may turn out to be the next big nothing). That, plus the jump in visuals from PS1 to PS2 was dramatic. PS2 to PS3 has been...Um, not so much thus far.

Lastly, sales may be higher, but also factor in the number of people who bought them solely for ebay scalping. Also, there's the fact that the system can actually be found nowadays on the shelves...Wasn't the case with PS2 for a long time.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

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Considering that all the games have been pushed back until the Euro launch, the NA launch was only a soft launch really.

March:
F1
MotorStorm
Oblivion
FEAR
Armoured Core
RS: Vegas
Godfather
Virtua Tennis 3
Enchanted Arms
Splinter Cell

What has been released since NA launch?? VF5, while it's a great game, so are a lot of the mentioned which were all held off till Euro launch, others were simply pushed back to launch when the system goes world-wide.

Eh...Most of the games here are non-exclusive and a good number are already out for 360 anyway. It'd be hard to make a case for any of them as justifying a PS3 purchase. So it's more like March is when PS3 takes a step closer to matching 360's library.

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As for Blu-Ray the player is a bonus. As the PS2 was with DVD, the PS3 has BR because games are getting large to the point where it is needed for GAMES. LAIR is 20GB, Unreal Tournament 2007 30GB, and Blue Dragon for the 360 is 3 DVDs and we're barely past the first baby steps of next gen.

I've heard a bigger concern is getting the data to stream off the disc and it's slower to do this with a blue laser. Depends which developer you ask, I guess. Still, swapping discs can't be that big of an issue...

Regardless, you're not really gaining as much as people were with the PS2's DVD player. Blu Ray is just too new to be considered the next "must have" format, whereas it was obvious DVD was on the verge of taking off at PS2's launch...

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As for the graphic differental the leap will become smaller from one gen to the next. Doesn't matter what system you're talking about.

No, but going from a generation where the difference is painstakingly obvious (PS1 3D graphics) to this next jump should make people wonder what exactly the big deal is. I'm personally more than content graphically with the PS2/XBOX/GC gen's output and am far less willing to pay for prettier graphics than I was last gen.

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As for your point about people buying them to sell them on E-bay at launch. How is that a bad thing? That means that there's poeple on the other end willing to pay 200% or more for the console so I don't know how you think that that's bad for Sony in some way.

I said it's bad because you can find the system on the shelves nowadays, whereas you simply couldn't walk into a store and buy a PS2 for months. That's a sign that interest in the system is dwindling and Sony needs to make a better effort in getting people interested. Meanwhile, the ebay market for the systems dropped dramatically in the span of less than a month and even before Christmas...Systems going for $2000 or so at preorder started going for their actual retail price or slightly higher.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Slayer X

If graphical leaps arn't a big deal to you then why are you so concerned? If there's PS2/XBOX/GC games you want to play then play them. Just know that new games will be on next gen systems which is why I bought a 360 and a PS3. Lord knows that I still play my PS2 more then anything else still.

That's more or less my concern...I don't know if PS3 will ever get to the point of being the no-brainer purchase the PS2 is right now. Everything just looks overpriced (games and system) and underwhelming at the moment and it's becoming far less likely Sony will be able to generate the same type of library and overall value the PS2 had. I plan on buying one once I see games I'm interested in and they drop the price to something remotely respectable, but even now, both Nintendo and Microsoft are making much stronger cases for themselves, in terms of price, innovation and content.

I hope they end up doing well, but I do think they're blundering this entire launch period and losing a lot of steam.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Slayer X

Well the 360 is a force in NA and Euro, however Sony has Japan and UK locked down already with 2:1 PS3 to 360 in Japan. And the Wii really isn't in direct competition with the other two because it has an experiance that can't be copied by the other two nor can it copy Sony or MS so in other words the Wii's not really going to take away from the other two.

As to which of the PS3 or 360 wins is none of my concern. They're both going to have great exclusive games hands down, and to pick one is just limiting your experiance. However I'm also not going to call you a fool if you choose to wait in order to keep you from going bankrupt, because preices WILL come down.

What is my real concern, if you look over the last 2 gens, when the market was one sided. Sure it was easy to buy a PS system and you were set, however that was at the same time the factor that decreased advancement in the industry, without competition there was no reason to move ahead. I'm more interested in game mechanics then physical innovation like the Wii. And with the Sony lockdown on the industry developers have been able to lie back and make the same thing over and over and people were forced to like it or play nothing at all. My hopes with the 360 actually a competator for Sony, the two companies will force the lazy ass developers to wake the hell up and make games that are different and actually USE the power of these systems. Not so much in the way of graphics, more like how Blinx was for the Xbox in it's early days, it showed what an HDD in a system can do. Since the PS2 got a stranglehold on the industry after that point developers have just stopped trying to make things NEW. Which is my real problem.

In the end while we may not have a jump like we did from SNES to PS1, if the heated competition of 360 VS PS3 keeps steam it will be in the gamer's interest. No more of this one system to rule all BS, that's the worst thing that could happen. No matter who the one is. If the competition can keep up until the PS3 and the 720 come out then we might get our first technological leap after over a decade of market dominence on Sony's part.

See, I agree with most of this...Which is why I'm disappointed the content thus far hasn't been more compelling for PS3, in order to justify the price tag. Mind you, I'm not in love with the 360's library just yet, but their strategy is making far more sense to me and I really do appreciate the effort they're going to in order to correct their (many) mistakes from last gen (including a strong offering of exclusive JRPG's, something completely off limits from the original Xbox). It's refreshing compared to Sony's arrogant stances on everything. Sony better have a decent answer for Halo 3 if it comes out this year or else this "war" may end prematurely.

I think Wii will end up being more of an actual competitor than you say though...In many ways, it already has because people will still have a limited amount of money to throw at their gaming set-up. Buying a Wii game may still take away from a PS3 game you're planning to buy and the time spent playing it can also possibly compete with time spent with other consoles. Also consider: It launched nose-to-nose with PS3 with a decided killer app, cheaper price and pack-in game and did exceptionally well for itself in endearing itself to the media and many skeptics. I'm looking forward to testing the limits of the new control scheme in new games than going through prettied up rehashes and sequels I've seen thus far on PS3.

How ya doing, buddy?

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To expect a killer app at launch is highly unrealistic. And in my opinion Resistance is the best launch title ever to me, because while I'm an RPG fan, Zelda is too easy and I don't have fun playing it. The only reason why the Wii sold well is due to Zelda, which doesn't even show off the Wii's controls all that well.

I won't argue too much about this point, because I haven't been personally interested in the 3D Zeldas (though Twilight Princess looks to be the best one yet), but my first response seeing Resistance was "same old, same old". It's fitting that an FPS be considered the system's killer app nowadays, but...eh. I wouldn't say its' generated the same hype as Halo did and it doesn't have the universal appeal the Marios did.

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More to point though, the Wii is not going to cut into PS3 and 360 sales because if someone is looking to get the same features and whatnot one a Wii as you would on a 360 or a PS3 will be highly disapointed and visa-versa. The Wii will do well, but you will find that the success will depend on thoes who arn't already into gaming then thoes who are which will be the key to their success, however not really affecting Sony or MS directly all that much.

See I think differently. Wii will not compete graphically with either, which is fine with me. It will succeed based on new gamers, which is a devious marketing strategy. However, there are people who are simply tired of entire genres of games or never liked some to begin with (FPS and sports come to mind for me) and may look to the Wii as a legitimately different way of playing them. And in any case, all 3 are in direct competition for the finite resources of every gamer: money, time and shelf space. I mean, it says a lot to me that I'm actually looking forward to picking up Super Swing Golf the day I pick up my Wii (probably along with Super Paper Mario) moreso than anything else out for PS3 or 360 right now...I normally hate golf.

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In Europe and Japan the largest genre is the RPG genre which is something that MS fails to accomplish time and time again with games like Sudeki, Enchanted Arms, Blue Dragon. While the games are decent, they're not enough to stand up to NIS, ATLAS, Square, etc.

No offense, but that seems like an odd statement. Sudeki and Enchanted Arms...bleah, they're low tier, but Blue Dragon is a major coupe for the 360. Think about it: The guys responsible for Final Fantasy and Toriyama working together exclusively for Microsoft is a huge deal in Japan (and was reflected in console sales, albeit not as dramatically as something bearing the actual FF logo, but still impressive). And it's just a start from them. On top of that, Trusty Bell and Eternal Sonata from Tri Crescendo. Along with Lost Odyssey, that's four fairly high-profile JRPG's on the horizon, which ain't bad. And on top of that, NIS has been slow to announce support for PS3. Given their graphics are strictly PS1 quality (again, not a bad thing), do they really need to go to the next gen and put up with the higher development costs? And on that subject...Dragon Quest IX. DS. That's a major "ouch" for Sony.

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Sony's strategy really isn't to so much compete with the PS3 this year as it is to compete with the PS2 and build on the PS3. Then by the end of '07 they will switch to the PS3 with hopefully a good line of killer apps like MGS4, FFXIII, MotorStorm, KILLZONE 2, etc. If Sony doesn't get the games up by the end of this year then they will not be the "popular" system.

Well, I'm just sayin'...It doesn't look good with a $600 system out there with little content with two competitors looking stronger by the second. Remember: Nintendo hopes to get Mario Galaxy, Smash Brothers and Metroid Prime out this year as well, all potential system sellers.

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All in all though, things have changed a lot in the past decade. It's not like it was in the PS1 and earlier days where you needed to secure the market to turn a profit. Today even the last place competetor will still be laughing all the way to the bank because what they'll make off the launch systems alone over 5 years of software would be more then enough to sustain a small country. Therefore thoes who think that being the "popular" system is key to success then you need to get with the times because if that were the case then Nintendo should be long gone by now with 2 generations of "not being THE popular one".

I never said Sony had to win. I just said they have shit for content right now, an ego streak that makes me want to slap some sense into their corporate figureheads and a lot of ground to make up if I'm to take them seriously. I don't care if they win...I just care if they can generate the 10 or so games and the price drop they'll need to get me into their fold.

How ya doing, buddy?

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I don't think that Sony will disapoint in the long run. They always seems to be half asleep at their console launch and don't know what's going on around them. On the other hand, based on the last ten years and market trends I'm not all that worried about my investment.

I agree...I think they will do well in the long run. But then again, people and developers are going to be a lot more picky with a $600 game system than they would a $300 one that also serves a useful purpose (DVD player) or one that was the first viable introduction to 3D games (and $100 cheaper than the Saturn and way cheaper than 3DO), so anything can happen. There may not be a long run if they don't wake up.

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As for thoes JRPGs coming out for the 360, if you look at sale numbers Blue Dragon didn't do much of anything for the system, it managed to increase sales by 3,000 units that week in Japan and then back down 4,000 the next week so for the effort it didn't do much. From what I've seen so far of Lost Odyssey it's not looking good, just a highly rendered PS2 game, they do nothing new in animation, mechanics or anything else that a PS2 game doesn't already do. For the rest, I'm not going to comment on something I don't know, but I'm always up for a good RPG no matter the system.

Well, it's a start... Best scenarios I read were around the 10,000 range (I think there was a mix-up because they were bundling copies of the game in with the units). It was a losing effort from the start, but at least they're trying...

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These people you mentioned are not potential PS3 or 360 buyers and therefore not going to affect their sales. However this was the exact thing that Nintendo was shooting for, the casual and non-gamer markets.

But what I said was that I think a lot of hardcore gamers will gravitate towards the Wii as well, ones that find the upcoming 360 and PS3 acts a bit too much of an encore performance or for genres they might not normally care about. In the process, it will syphon off people who may buy the PS3 or 360 if the Wii were not an option, not to mention games sales for both. The competition may be more indirect, but considering the timing of Wii's launch and the aggressiveness of Nintendo's upcoming line-up (and the decision to stick in Zelda as a killer app at launch), I'd say both Microsoft and Sony should view the Wii as a lower cost threat/alternative.

We'll see...

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Loofy

I Already have a PS3, and i would recommend anyone who is going to get one they're awesome.

I'm sold! I'm geting PS3 tomorrow!!!

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?