[PS3] PlayStation 3 Discussion Thread

I'd pay only that much money on a high quality LCD computer monitor. Most of the LCDs look better than the LCD TVs and plasmas I've seen. Most likely it'd run the vide through a ATI All in Wonder (for S-Video or Composite), or connect driectly to the monitor with HDMI. Plus I like watching movies on my monitor much more anyways.
Truth be told though, my current S-Video setup for my TV works perfectly for me. Good detail and great colors. The fact that DVDs don't look blocky (like they do on a LCD) makes it even better.

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Originally Posted by Spatula

I gotta say, these SED TV's do look sexy. This one's from TOSHIBA. Due around 2007? Yeah, about the same time I'll get my PS3. Thank god I have a nice paying job.



Shit, I better start saving up now.

1st generation display tech is almost guarenteed to cost more than $5000 for every 20 inches of screen size you get, so start saving every penny. With that money, you could be a few great LCDs which will be the top sellers once CRTs finally get crushed into oblivion.

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Originally Posted by Metal Sphere

I'd wait until at least the third gen of SEDs, since they're bound to have issues that didn't come up during testing. The same would apply to the PS3, though swap out generation for revision.

As far as PlayStation is concerned, it'll be stable once the price point of $200 gets thrown around. You can't guarentee great sells on any console until it dips to around that price.

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Originally Posted by Megalith

Yeah.

I mean, who the hell actually paid $300 for PS2, right.

I didn't buy a PS2 until it was $200 and I'm sure most of the 100 million+ units floating around were not bought at the original $300 (or international equivalent) price.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Metal Sphere

Most of these technologies have been in "testing" for long periods too, and look what happens when they're finally out in public. There's no test better than reality, where the variables are damn near endless. And even if by some miracle they don't have problems, expect improvements on the TVs that often renders the first ones obsolete.

The launch price is meant for early adopters who will buy the machine at any price, while lower prices points (like $200 for the PS2) are for the mass market, where most of the sales comes from.

Exactly, much like the 360 made most of its sales so far off of the massive hype. Launch time hype based inertia can only carry you so far (10 million units tops).

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I think AA isn't necessary, but it's a very nice feature. I noticed that the only visual flaws in most games (vs most decent CG art) is jaggies, which is much worse when showing polygons at only a slight angle. On regular TVs (ones that can't pull 720p or 1080i/p) will we even be able to notice jaggies? The downsampling of the the resolution makes me suspect we won't.

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Originally Posted by RABicle

That's a 700% increase and these are old figures. Did you realise most games don't even turn a profit these days?

Yeah, but blockbusters make more money than ever. Look at The Sims, it has made more than most movies. Videogames have alomst inifnite potential, that's why companies are willing to invest so much money in them.
Plus $30 million is conservative compared to many movie budgets, they should learn how to do more with less than less with more.

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Interesting. I hope they also give the console itself a makeover to look better.
I can use a PS3 now without getting Carpal Tunnel Syndrome...

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Originally Posted by Spatula

I didn't want to sound like a stick in the mud, but I personally like the PS2's look overall. The front grill makes it sleek yet "powerful" looking (okay for it's time, duh). I saw this picture quite a while ago of speculating the PS3's look:

I like this one the best:



This dish type console looks very clean and sleek, but too bad it's now just a dream. ;_;...

Considering they're shoving PS3/PS2/PS1 hardware and Blu-Ray playback, I'd be surprised if the PS3 is even as small as the original PS2. It'll probably be the size of the original XBox if Sony doesn't want the thing crammed so tight it melts within one hour of use.

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Even if we're not able to run copied games on a PS3's Linux, the ablity to run hombrew formats would be very nice. And If we don't like the way the PS3's Linux is, we could always have someone change it (if it's Linux, it's GPLed and would easily be modified).

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Actually any console you own is not a legitimate (or very adaptable) gaming system until you can play Doom or Lemmings on it (or hack your way into playing it). Which is why Linux and the PS3 is a match made in heaven.

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Originally Posted by Elixir

Why would you want to play Lemmings on a PS3?

Because Lemmings is on almost every other platform (see here), it's a rite of passage for a game system. Plus Lemmings is a damn fun game, why wouldn't you want it on the PS3?

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Originally Posted by Taterdemalion

Hey, why was the Lemmings discussion ended? I'm sure it had something to do with PS3.

No actually I was trying to make the point that almost every notable console system ever released had either DOOM or Lemmings officially ported to it. But if they don't port either game, I'm sure someone will hack it so you can play it on the system.

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Originally Posted by SOLDIER

I'm certain they'd at least come up with an adaptor, but hopefully it won't come to that. The feature should be available from the start without throwing away extra cash. I'm sure they have this figured out.

Agreed, if Sony states they want full compatibility with the PS1/PS2 games and hardware, this is a must.
Of course if they let the HDD emulate PS1/PS2 memory cards, I'm all for that too.

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Originally Posted by AcerBandit

Yeah that's why I stated that at least some way of transferring you PSX and PS2 games to the PS3 must be possible preferably as painlessly as possible.

If it comes built in to the PS3, great. If it comes separately, okay I'll still buy it if it doesn't cost $25. Sony already pissed me off with the $25 price tag for another 8MB memory card or replacement Dualshock 2.

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Originally Posted by Phil

Did you know that blu-ray players will be around $1000 when they start coming out in the next few months? Having the PS3 selling around half that would be quite impressive if you ask me. There have been speculations that say it costs Sony between 250-350 on the blu-ray drive alone. Total figures were estimating as much as 900 to manufacture the console just a month or two ago.

I'm looking forward to seeing what the PS3 delivers because on paper it is incredible. I'd see a price as high as 700 being justified but I wouldn't really go higher then 500.

Yes it would be a great deal, for now. But how much did DVD players (and CD players) cost when they first hit the market? Chances are I'll buy one 1-2 years down the road after a price drop and some hardware revisions.
Really anyone who paid $500 for a CD player back in 1990 or a DVD player in 1997, felt like a total ass a few years down the road. By 2000, DVD prices plumeted and buying a PS2 in the US for DVD playback was not the end all best deal. Of course if you lived in Japan, that was another story. Let's just hope Blu-Ray sells well enough to encourage profit on the players, thus making the price fall much sooner.

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Originally Posted by Grubdog

Acer, stop replying to Elixir, it's the only way to win and fix threads.

I'm gonna wait til things I actually care about justify the price. PS3s high price point is less justified to me than PS2's was. PS2s "higher than a game system" price was justified because people actually cared about DVDs and it was a necessary and exciting advancement from tapes to discs.

The games are going to have to be damn good to make up for the massive price for me. I could buy a DS, PS2 and a Revolution with a bunch of games for the price of a PS3. One game that could make it worth it is Grand Theft Auto, I hope we see a true next gen GTA at E3, it could be to the PS3 what GTA3 was for PS2.

Since there haven't been any official announcements, don't expect GTA on the PS3 anytime soon. It seems like MGS4 will be the first PS3's killer game, the reason people will but the system beyond, well the PS3 itself.

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Originally Posted by Mercury

Even if the PS3 BD player sucks, it will at least play BD movies at 1080p, which will be far superior to the best DVD players available, don't you think guys?

Yes, but when Blu-Ray goes full spec, some studios might decide to put in analog protection, which scales the video to a "small" 540p (which is 960x540, when resized, there'll be hardly a difference). And unless you hook your PS3 up to a computer LCD, you'll have to shell out gobs of cash to even view 1080p.

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Originally Posted by Mercury

Well that's true, and if you don't have an HDTV that isn't HDCP compatible over digital signal, well then you shouldn't have to worry about if the PS3 BD player will be good or not, since you won’t use it as a BD player anyway.

Yes, most people are still content with DVD as it is. Since DVDs are still easily rippable and have great quality (even on my 1440x900 monitor, DVDs still look good, even though they have been resized to 200%), Blu-Ray would only gain traction after many people buy the players. Which won't happen until most of them reach $100 or below, which is still above the price of cheap DVD players.

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Originally Posted by Taterdemalion

If the Blu-Ray drive is 1x speed, does that mean it also plays DVDs at that speed?

Most likely, no and yes. It'll probably read PS2 DVD-ROM discs at 4x (the default speed for the PS2's DVD reading) and 1x for DVD-Video, why would someone need to play DVDs beyond 1x anyways (unless you are seeking)?

I was speaking idiomatically.

I remember hearing some form of conrete disc protection will be put into PS3 game discs. Could someone find me some more info on this?
My guess is it'll resemble the encrypted file system DVD-Video has, not letting you copy unless the program you use is authorized to do so (or capable of cracking it).

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It's actually surprising they have the OS running in the background constantly. A way to check for pirated games maybe?

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Will this region-free setting apply to PS1 and PS2 discs as well? It would make the backward compatiblity much more compelling.
I also heard that the PS1/PS2's compatibility won't be at or near 100%, is this true?

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Well HDMI 1.3 sounds nice, too bad my monitor doesn't support it. But in all actuality there's almost no chance I'll be using HDMI any time soon. In fact if it wasnt for the WIFI and 60GB HDD, I'd have no probelm with the $500 model. Though a $400 or lower price tag for the crappier model would be much easier to swallow, which is probably why I'm going to hold off on the PS3 for a long while.
No chance in hell I'm paying $500-600 for a console when that could go to an infinitly more useful PC (or car repairs in my case ).

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Originally Posted by Cetra

There is no infinity symbol in the ASCII or UNICODE standard. Whoever filed to patent decided oo looks similar to the infinity symbol. The Internet got ahold of a patent and decided PooS sounded funny and then made stupid links to the two ii used in Wii. It's not PooS it is P-infinity-S. Don't ask me what this means either.

I think it means Playstion-inifinity-Stupid (or 'spensive, but that's improper grammar), meaning it's too expensive to be viable in the current market. While I think it will trounce the XBox 360, I'm not so sure about it beating the Wii. Yes, $600 will help recover costs, but at what price (literal and figurative)?

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