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The Inevitable Societal Collapse of the USA and How to Prepare and Cope
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Helloween
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Old Feb 17, 2009, 03:14 PM Local time: Feb 17, 2009, 02:14 PM #1 of 15
In my personal opinion he's totally right. I'm not sure that the collapse of the united states in inevitable though. In a perfect world the conservative media misdirection complex wouldn't have detracted the attention of the people away from these issues when they were on the horizon. What it boils down to, in my mind, is that people need to realize that the age of conservatism is over, and people need to start moving money back into the system to keep it lubricated, to put it simply.

I say this as a staunch liberally minded person, and am willing to admit my bias, but the conservative media has done such a good job of keeping the minds of many Americans from actually thinking about politics, and focusing on the sensationalized vision of the people who appear to have the power to change the social status quo. Fox News has done such a fantastic job of convincing people that if the Democrats legalize gay marriage it's going to make it mandatory, and all of a sudden you won't be able to look left or right without seeing a gay couple. So these people fight tooth and nail to get Bush and the neo-cons elected, then re-elected. The only way to get out of this cycle is witness a collapse like we see right now, manage to squeak a democrat into the white house, only to have the media try to pull another Clinton on us.

If there's one thing we need to get rid of, it's the status quo in the states. So many of the problems listed above in the speech could be solved. Increase standard of living by providing socialized health care to those who need it is just one example.

Of course, the driving force behind anything is money. Conservatism guarantees lots of money to a few people, those people will be given power, and a status quo is set in stone. What i'm asking is for the upper 1% of the population is to allow some of their immense wealth to flow back into the system, and when the wealth is distributed, it will keep moving. I know this will never happen, but it bears discussion.

Jam it back in, in the dark.
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Old Feb 18, 2009, 01:03 AM Local time: Feb 18, 2009, 12:03 AM #2 of 15
What Orlov "warns" of is that the current issues that we're trying to correct would end up being a costly error that would serve to hasten our descent into collapse a vulnerable and unprepared society.
I guess i didn't make my point clear (and i realize in full that i didn't. I kind of lost myself in my train of thought). I kind of disagree, and though money is a cancer on human nature, it can be put to positive use. I'm a believer that wind power, hydro power (by way of dams, wave, and tide generators), and solar power and any resulting mix of the three could provide an alternative to the petroleum addiction we've found ourselves in. We've already proven that we can build and manufacture efficient and practical electric cars. GM showed us this with the EV1. Other auto makers followed. They all jumped ship for many reasons that aren't widely known, but i say it's cause money was still in fossil fuels.

Our first world infrastructure isn't doomed to die, suburbia, yes, is probably doomed to fail, but even roofing houses with solar panels to ease the intake of power to the home is a step in the right direction, allowing us to get a leg up on abandoning our dependence on oil.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Last edited by Helloween; Feb 18, 2009 at 01:14 PM. Reason: Late night and spelling don't go hand in hand
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