[Wii] Nintendo E3 Conference NOBODY GOES

Originally Posted by Shin

GTA DS will clearly suck massive donkey balls. What's the point of a GTA game with no blood, no swearing and no racial stereotypes?

I love from absolutely no information released, you've come to this conclusion. Genius.

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The main character will probably be fucking Mario and you have to drive around jumping on turtles or some equally banal crap like that, all the while using the stylus to draw pictures of which one you want to shoot at next and learning how to add up and cook better.

THE COUNT IS RISING.

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Pretty much everyone who's going to get one has a Wii now and nobody ever buys more than two games for the thing so unless they release some new hardware or start producing games that aren't Mario themed minigame-fests, Nintendo are fucked. The Wii needs a new Goldeneye and Killer Instinct to prove to people that it's more than just a joke console for drunk people and kids.

Your ignorance is impressive, Shin.

I am sure whatever console you own (Xbox or PS3, it doesn't matter) obviously satisfies you insatiable thirst for hundreds upon hundreds of mediocre racing games, sports games and shooting games, but here's the news flash: NOT ALL GAMERS ARE LIKE YOU SHIN.

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The company won't go tits up like Sega did because kids always need more DS games but the Wii is all but finished already. Every game store near me has like a one stand Wii display compared to at least 4 or 5 for every other console, including PS2. It's a remarkable achievement for a company that kicked so much ass with the SNES to fail so miserably ever since.

THE WII IS FINISHED! OF COURSE I AM DISREGARDING ALL SALES FIGURES, OF COURSE. OF COURSE, I AM BASING ALL MY FINDINGS ON WHAT I HAVE SEEN IN STORES. I CANNOT COMPREHEND THAT THERE ARE OTHER EXAMPLES APART FROM THE ONES I HAVE GIVEN, OF COURSE. THAT IS OF COURSE, IMPOSSIBLE!

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Shin

True, but nobody has any information suggesting it will be good either. I am allowed to make predictions as much as anyone else is.

I can guarantee you that GTA DS will NOT have "Mario and you have to drive around jumping on turtles or some equally banal crap like that, all the while using the stylus to draw pictures of which one you want to shoot at next and learning how to add up and cook better."

You're allowed to make predictions, but with fucking retarded predictions like this don't be surprised when someone thinks you're full of shit.

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I have a 360 and a Wii as it happens. I like playing Wii games but it only seems to ever come out when I have mates round and we're drunk. I have never once felt the desire to play a Wii game on my own. These same mates also all own Wii's, in fact just about everyone I know owns a Wii. I am in no way suggesting that the console hasn't sold incredibly well. What I am suggesting and based on my personal experience and from reading various articles writen by market analysts and economists rather than gamers, is that most people don't buy any games for the thing. Everyone owns Wii Sports, most people also own one of Mario Party, Rayman Ravin Rabbids or Mario Olympics and literally a couple of people bought something else too.

Fair enough, you like shaking your wiimote, nobody can deny you that and at the right time, with the right people around, so do I but I only need one game to do that.

Again, you're talking from personal experience. Alot of my friends own Wii's too and alot of my friends have more than one game. In fact most of them have about 9 or 10 and not all of the are Mario minigame-fests or minigame-fests at all. SHOCK! HORROR!

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I'm taking the sales figures with a pinch of salt, knowing that a lot of software sales are tied in to new hardware purchases and that you only really get a feel for how much software is selling for a console after a couple of years. Looking at how much space is dedicated in stores to a product is a perfectly reasonable way to determine demand for a product. Big companies like GAME spend a fucking fortune on market research so they know what to stock and they stock things people are likely to buy. That they give fuck all space to Wii games suggested that they don't think many people want to buy them. That's just obvious isn't it.

It's curious, in Australia things are completely different. In most places the Wii section rivals the 360 sections, in very few stores are the sections noticably mismatched. And absolutely everywhere the Wii section giants the PS3 section available and that's including Blu-Ray DVDs which are normally stored side-by-side. So maybe your example isn't the case everywhere? But of course, that's just obvious isn't it.

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Now if you take a deep breath, stop getting so butt-hurt that someone suggested that your precious Nintendo's current business model has holes in big enough to drive through and calm down and read what I said as a rational criticism rather than a personal attack you'll see that I'm making sense.

If you had written a rational argument, I would have been able to read it and respond to it in a rational way. Instead you chose to fill it with KIDDY KIDDY KIDDY words.

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Why do you take criticism of Nintendo so personally anyway? Do you work for them or something? Am I dissing your life's work, are the harsh realities of my vision of the future going to leave you homeless and destititute? What is it?

I don't take well thought out, well written posts personally. But when staff, no less, start bashing their hands violently on the keyboard filling their posts with ignorant and childish console bashing, I get a little peeved.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Shin

You didn't answer my question. I was quite obviously joking when I suggested that GTADS would have Mario in (Although I stand by the point that there's be no blood or swearing in it) and regardless of how you think I'm framing the criticism, the fact remains that you're getting upset because I have a negative opinion of a piece of electronics.

So I am supposed to sift through your bullshit "framing" and find the real argument deep inside? Please. I read your argument how anyone else is going to read it, as a sarcastic, weak and unfunny swipe at Nintendo. I'm not taking issue with what you're saying, I'm taking issue with how your saying or "framing" it.

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Not even that in fact, you're getting upset because I think the business model of a company that makes a certain type of games console and has already demonstrated it's ability to throw away vast slabs of market share, is flawed and I think they wasted an opportunity to show that they had other ideas beside Mario games and lifestyle coach accessories.

Nintendo is targetting the market it always has AND more. It's opened the door for other gamers to walk on through, while still making games for gamers who have remained loyal.

Nintendo has created games (or some on the way) on the Wii for almost all of it's major series, Mario, Zelda, Smash Bros., Metroid, Fire Emblem, Nintendo's Wars Series, Kirby, Animal Crossing, Wario and the numerous spin-off titles like Paper Mario, Mario Kart and the Mario Sports & Party titles. There's not too many more series that I can think of that need representation, maybe F-Zero and Star Fox. It's just now they're offering more.

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Why would that annoy you? You do know that fostering irrational brand loyalty is a marketing trick right?

Again, I'm not taking issue with your argument. Although I don't agree with it, it's all about your "framing".

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You have given me no reasons why it upsets you that I forecast a bleak future for Nintendo, other than describing my words as "Kiddy", which coming from the boy who attempted to shout me down by typing all in capitals is pretty amusing.

Ugh, you keep asking the same question over and over and I'm afraid I'm going to answer you with basically the same answer. You posted like a child, I responded to you as a child. If you had posted a coherent post, I would have given you a coherent reply.

You can't just turn around and say "Hey, if you think I'm bad, why are you doing the same?" Did you think about why I responded to you like that? No.

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All I'm asking for is a calm, rational response to my question, why does it upset you that I think Nintendo should rethink their marketing strategy.

Because you want Nintendo to change their market strategy based on what YOU want and WHAT you desire, when you have clearly stated that you have all the real gaming you need on other systems. That's stupid and narrow-minded. Wii doesn't always suit your needs, but another system does, move on and stop whining. Why have 3 identical consoles? Why shoot at the same goal?

Nintendo offers something different and panders to the same hardcore crowd it always has. I don't see how this is a bad target strategy. It's selling. It's working.

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Also, I didn't realise you lived in Australia. I wouldn't have used shop displays as an example if I'd known you lived in a third world country.

Hurr hurr.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Shin

I'm sorry, I shall take the time out to read through your posting history to see how I should be posting then. Ah, I see the trick is to limit oneself to no more than a single sentence in a post whenever possible. I'm sure that would make my points easier to understand, thank you for enlightening me.

I'm sure that seemed relevant in your head.

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Two things here really. The market they've always had has been collapsing since the N64. Each generation sees them lose more and more market share so it would seem that "Sticking with what we know" is a losing strategy. I never said that they've not brought in new customers, what I suggested is that these new customers don't buy many games each. And then again, look you said people who remained loyal. You mean people who fell for the marketing tricks and have an irrational sense of brand loyalty right? Well fervent as Ninty's fanboys are (And you're a damn good example, not quite RABicle but not bad at all), there aren't enough of them to keep the Wii profitable.

But...but...the Wii is profitable. Maybe it's not from "loyal" gamers alone, but why does it have to be? Nintendo is a business first, and right now it's a money making machine. They've chose a path that has made them all rich, why change it because YOU don't like it?

Also don't really know what marketing tricks you're referring to.

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The very point I've been trying to make, is that yes, Nintendo do diligently re-release Mario and Smash Brothers and Zelda every couple of years and the brainwashed "Loyal" customers lap it up and buy every new version

People buying games they like? Unthinkable. But strangely this isn't a Nintendo exclusive phenomenon. Strange that.

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and now a lot of people have bought a Wii for a bit of Wii Sports action but if this is as ambitious as Nintendo get, then they will only see further reduction of their market share as their competitors manage to launch a much bigger range of products and as such cater to the mass market (Where all the money is). You imply that every Xbox game is a bland shooter or driving game but there's a reason for that, it makes them a shit load of cash and the whole point of my arguement this whole time, had you done me the courtesy of actually reading any of it instead of frothing at the mouth and going into defend the motherland mode on me, was that financially, Nintendo need to grab a slice of the mass-market pie otherwise they're going to struggle to maintain the Wii as a commercial product.

Again I fail to understand where you're getting the basis of your arguments from. Oh right! Your jaded personal experience.

The Wii and Nintendo making a SHIT-TON of money. It's selling INCREDIBLY well. The Wii MAKES money from every console sold as opposed to Sony and Microsoft who make a LOSS on every console sold. Software isn't where all the money is made.

You're talking out your ass and with every word you type it's just making it more and more obvious.

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Or in other words, Nintendo has made the same nine games over and over again for the past few years and of those, Animal Crossing is hardly mass market and a big money spinner.

Animal Crossing DS sold 9.2 million copies. Again talking out your ass.

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You're right, Nintendo should stick to making lifestyle games and kids games and just keep rehashing their main titles for the "Hardcore" gamers who stuck by Nintendo through thick and thin because the ad-men told them to. Bravo.

If it works (and it does) then all the power to them.

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I can't imagine your fanboy rage will even dent in the face of mere reason and logic so I think it's best if I remove myself from this discussion now, especially as Skills can't ban me from it and I don't want to be accused of feeding the trolls, or indeed the fanboys.

Bravo, you started and left an argument without making a coherent point.

I was speaking idiomatically.