[Wii] Nintendo E3 Conference NOBODY GOES

I heard they're releasing some games for the Wii involving several minigames, a "wacky" and not at all forced control system and the full range of your favourite Mario characters. Rumours are they're also insisting that sub-PS2 graphics are still acceptable to modern gamers and that they can indeed stay solvent by flogging the same old dead horse for the next few years.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Kilroy

My hopes? A new Zelda, built for Wii without waggling, a new Mario sidescroller for either DS or Wii and almost no focus on soccer moms, grannies and kids. Only hardcore games this time around, please.

Er, mate, this is the Nintendo thread. The only time people use the word hardcore in a sentence including the word Nintendo is "Nobody who considers themselves a hardcore gamer, as massively homosexual as that phrase is, would ever bother buying a Nintendo Wii or DS".

I mean trolling aside, are there any Wii games that don't feature one of either Mario, stupid minigames or shoe-horned in motion control?

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Grain Overflow

Blastworks? There's plenty, but that's the first one to come to mind.

I can't say I'd heard of that one but having just watched a video of it, it's got shoe-horned control system written all over it. Any more?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

GTA DS will clearly suck massive donkey balls. What's the point of a GTA game with no blood, no swearing and no racial stereotypes? The main character will probably be fucking Mario and you have to drive around jumping on turtles or some equally banal crap like that, all the while using the stylus to draw pictures of which one you want to shoot at next and learning how to add up and cook better.

Pretty much everyone who's going to get one has a Wii now and nobody ever buys more than two games for the thing so unless they release some new hardware or start producing games that aren't Mario themed minigame-fests, Nintendo are fucked. The Wii needs a new Goldeneye and Killer Instinct to prove to people that it's more than just a joke console for drunk people and kids.

The company won't go tits up like Sega did because kids always need more DS games but the Wii is all but finished already. Every game store near me has like a one stand Wii display compared to at least 4 or 5 for every other console, including PS2. It's a remarkable achievement for a company that kicked so much ass with the SNES to fail so miserably ever since.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by NovaX

I love from absolutely no information released, you've come to this conclusion. Genius.

True, but nobody has any information suggesting it will be good either. I am allowed to make predictions as much as anyone else is.

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I am sure whatever console you own (Xbox or PS3, it doesn't matter) obviously satisfies you insatiable thirst for hundreds upon hundreds of mediocre racing games, sports games and shooting games, but here's the news flash: NOT ALL GAMERS ARE LIKE YOU SHIN.

I have a 360 and a Wii as it happens. I like playing Wii games but it only seems to ever come out when I have mates round and we're drunk. I have never once felt the desire to play a Wii game on my own. These same mates also all own Wii's, in fact just about everyone I know owns a Wii. I am in no way suggesting that the console hasn't sold incredibly well. What I am suggesting and based on my personal experience and from reading various articles writen by market analysts and economists rather than gamers, is that most people don't buy any games for the thing. Everyone owns Wii Sports, most people also own one of Mario Party, Rayman Ravin Rabbids or Mario Olympics and literally a couple of people bought something else too.

Fair enough, you like shaking your wiimote, nobody can deny you that and at the right time, with the right people around, so do I but I only need one game to do that.

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THE WII IS FINISHED! OF COURSE I AM DISREGARDING ALL SALES FIGURES, OF COURSE. OF COURSE, I AM BASING ALL MY FINDINGS ON WHAT I HAVE SEEN IN STORES. I CANNOT COMPREHEND THAT THERE ARE OTHER EXAMPLES APART FROM THE ONES I HAVE GIVEN, OF COURSE. THAT IS OF COURSE, IMPOSSIBLE!

I'm taking the sales figures with a pinch of salt, knowing that a lot of software sales are tied in to new hardware purchases and that you only really get a feel for how much software is selling for a console after a couple of years. Looking at how much space is dedicated in stores to a product is a perfectly reasonable way to determine demand for a product. Big companies like GAME spend a fucking fortune on market research so they know what to stock and they stock things people are likely to buy. That they give fuck all space to Wii games suggested that they don't think many people want to buy them. That's just obvious isn't it.

Now if you take a deep breath, stop getting so butt-hurt that someone suggested that your precious Nintendo's current business model has holes in big enough to drive through and calm down and read what I said as a rational criticism rather than a personal attack you'll see that I'm making sense.

Why do you take criticism of Nintendo so personally anyway? Do you work for them or something? Am I dissing your life's work, are the harsh realities of my vision of the future going to leave you homeless and destititute? What is it?

I think it might be time for your naptime, you seem to be getting rather over-excited.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by wvlfpvp

Shin, just because most people own the games you mentioned doesn't mean that they're the only games on the system/the only good/bad games either. There's decent stuff. Hell, I play my Wii regularly.

I never said that there are no other games on Wii. All I said is that most people bought one for the novelty factor and as such will not buy any more games and as such, Nintendo ought to think about making some proper games and more to the point publicising them properly or otherwise the actual Gamers are going to desert the system and the 75% or so of Wii's that were bought for Wii Sports aren't going to generate any further software sales.

I am aware that other games exist but Nintendo's publicity machine seems obsessed with pushing the novelty ones and this E3 conference did nothing to dispel that idea.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by NovaX

I don't take well thought out, well written posts personally. But when staff, no less, start bashing their hands violently on the keyboard filling their posts with ignorant and childish console bashing, I get a little peeved.

You didn't answer my question. I was quite obviously joking when I suggested that GTADS would have Mario in (Although I stand by the point that there's be no blood or swearing in it) and regardless of how you think I'm framing the criticism, the fact remains that you're getting upset because I have a negative opinion of a piece of electronics. Not even that in fact, you're getting upset because I think the business model of a company that makes a certain type of games console and has already demonstrated it's ability to throw away vast slabs of market share, is flawed and I think they wasted an opportunity to show that they had other ideas beside Mario games and lifestyle coach accessories. Why would that annoy you? You do know that fostering irrational brand loyalty is a marketing trick right? You have given me no reasons why it upsets you that I forecast a bleak future for Nintendo, other than describing my words as "Kiddy", which coming from the boy who attempted to shout me down by typing all in capitals is pretty amusing. All I'm asking for is a calm, rational response to my question, why does it upset you that I think Nintendo should rethink their marketing strategy.

Also, I didn't realise you lived in Australia. I wouldn't have used shop displays as an example if I'd known you lived in a third world country.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by NovaX

So I am supposed to sift through your bullshit "framing" and find the real argument deep inside? Please. I read your argument how anyone else is going to read it, as a sarcastic, weak and unfunny swipe at Nintendo. I'm not taking issue with what you're saying, I'm taking issue with how your saying or "framing" it.

I'm sorry, I shall take the time out to read through your posting history to see how I should be posting then. Ah, I see the trick is to limit oneself to no more than a single sentence in a post whenever possible. I'm sure that would make my points easier to understand, thank you for enlightening me.

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Nintendo is targetting the market it always has AND more. It's opened the door for other gamers to walk on through, while still making games for gamers who have remained loyal.

Two things here really. The market they've always had has been collapsing since the N64. Each generation sees them lose more and more market share so it would seem that "Sticking with what we know" is a losing strategy. I never said that they've not brought in new customers, what I suggested is that these new customers don't buy many games each. And then again, look you said people who remained loyal. You mean people who fell for the marketing tricks and have an irrational sense of brand loyalty right? Well fervent as Ninty's fanboys are (And you're a damn good example, not quite RABicle but not bad at all), there aren't enough of them to keep the Wii profitable. The very point I've been trying to make, is that yes, Nintendo do diligently re-release Mario and Smash Brothers and Zelda every couple of years and the brainwashed "Loyal" customers lap it up and buy every new version and now a lot of people have bought a Wii for a bit of Wii Sports action but if this is as ambitious as Nintendo get, then they will only see further reduction of their market share as their competitors manage to launch a much bigger range of products and as such cater to the mass market (Where all the money is). You imply that every Xbox game is a bland shooter or driving game but there's a reason for that, it makes them a shit load of cash and the whole point of my arguement this whole time, had you done me the courtesy of actually reading any of it instead of frothing at the mouth and going into defend the motherland mode on me, was that financially, Nintendo need to grab a slice of the mass-market pie otherwise they're going to struggle to maintain the Wii as a commercial product.

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Nintendo has created games (or some on the way) on the Wii for almost all of it's major series, Mario, Zelda, Smash Bros., Metroid, Fire Emblem, Nintendo's Wars Series, Kirby, Animal Crossing, Wario and the numerous spin-off titles like Paper Mario, Mario Kart and the Mario Sports & Party titles. There's not too many more series that I can think of that need representation, maybe F-Zero and Star Fox. It's just now they're offering more.

Or in other words, Nintendo has made the same nine games over and over again for the past few years and of those, Animal Crossing is hardly mass market and a big money spinner.

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Again, I'm not taking issue with your argument. Although I don't agree with it, it's all about your "framing".

Ugh, you keep asking the same question over and over and I'm afraid I'm going to answer you with basically the same answer. You posted like a child, I responded to you as a child. If you had posted a coherent post, I would have given you a coherent reply.

You can't just turn around and say "Hey, if you think I'm bad, why are you doing the same?" Did you think about why I responded to you like that? No.

Sorry Captain Eloquent, I addressed this already though. One liners in future. Gotcha.

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Because you want Nintendo to change their market strategy based on what YOU want and WHAT you desire, when you have clearly stated that you have all the real gaming you need on other systems. That's stupid and narrow-minded. Wii doesn't always suit your needs, but another system does, move on and stop whining. Why have 3 identical consoles? Why shoot at the same goal?

Nintendo offers something different and panders to the same hardcore crowd it always has. I don't see how this is a bad target strategy. It's selling. It's working.

Aside from that it's not working, I guess I can't argue with that. You're right, Nintendo should stick to making lifestyle games and kids games and just keep rehashing their main titles for the "Hardcore" gamers who stuck by Nintendo through thick and thin because the ad-men told them to. Bravo.

I can't imagine your fanboy rage will even dent in the face of mere reason and logic so I think it's best if I remove myself from this discussion now, especially as Skills can't ban me from it and I don't want to be accused of feeding the trolls, or indeed the fanboys.

You win this time Captain Nintendo!



What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?