Saddam Hussein to receive death penalty

Ok these last couple of posts help nothing whatsoever, neither does the provoking.


My thoughts on this..Saddam was a bad person, for what he's done, he deserves nothing more than pain and despair. Death I think..too easy, too quick, and doesn't solve a thing, and won't bring back anyone who did die under his feet. He deserves a prison cell in the dark until he naturally dies. Like Lalala, I don't believe in the Death Penalty [This has nothing to do with Islam and Saddam]. From a Judeo-Christian perspective, no one under those two religions has the right to take another life un-naturally, especially people who uphold justice and law. They have no right to play God in who lives and who dies. God himself decreed it himself it was never to be done, no matter how much your enemy has done to you. That's my general look on the death penalty, not a technical outlook on it, so don't give me situations and scenarios or technicalities, it was my general view.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

So your general view is that it's more acceptable to torture people than it is to execute them. Sounds like sadism. Tastes like butter.

Where the hell did I say that bucko? Did you interpet 'pain and despair' as torture? If so, you're wrong.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

Pain and Despair sound an awful lot like what you'd get from being tortured. If you're thinking of some kind of moral test like God's trial of Job it's foolish to think that he would do the same for anybody else.

Kim Jong Il is still in power, after all, and his father Kim Il Sung lived out his life of oppressive totalitarianism to a peaceful grave. If you think that somebody deserves pain and despair, then the reasonable conclusion is that you think it'd be ok if they were tortured.

Of course, the "Christian" argument is that it's not our place to punish people for their crimes in such a manner. It should be up to God to decide. Yet we punish people and judge them without God for their infractions on a secular daily basis. If someone is deserving of pain and despair, and not death, why shouldn't they be tortured? Barbarism? Please.

My definition of pain and despair is more metaphoric, than literal. And Saddam doesn't exactly deserve a free and happy life no? Pain and despair to me would be exhiled to a cell, completly cut off from everyone, including inmates and workers in the prison. The only interaction you would get would be sometimes getting a shower, and food, but it would be rare. I think it would be justice if he was alone until he died, let the silence of the people that he tortured and gave death to ring in his ears until his heart stops.

Now you say that 'It should be up to God to decide. Yet we punish people and judge them without God for their infractions on a secular daily basis.' Well I think we as people should be allowed to carry out justice and law, without there's chaos of course. But I think death..doesn't belong with Justice personally, and neither does Torture, for I am against that too. Torture is inhumane, and shows the darker side of humanity, the only way for humanity to grow is to let go of their lust for violence and vengance.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

That's what i'm really afraid of, the insurgents causing more violence and destruction to our soldiers and to their own people out of vengance.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Bradylama

Vengeance for what? Saddam didn't have a cult of personality, his entire regime was based on a You-Scratch-My-Back I'll-Scratch-Yours... or else system. Without a power base, there's nobody who possesses any personal loyalties to Saddam that aren't already openly resisting occupation or shooting up mosques.

If you think solitary confinement is acceptable, then your perspective of pain and despair has gone beyond the metaphorical (if that's even possible?).

Like I said, do you think he should be un-punished for his crimes? Free? He deserves to be punished for what he has done, and I can think of no better punishment than a social exhile from everything.

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Solitary confinement is torture, because you're intentionally causing suffering to an individual via social neglect as an act of punishment.

That's your point of view, to think what I am saying is torture. My point is death is not the answer to anything, and it won't bring back anyone, and it won't solve anything. Do you think his death will make the insurgents go "You know what, they're right...lets bring out our white flags and surrender." No, you kill one saddam, ten more show up. It's a cycle of violence and pain, that will never end, unless someone acts big and ends it. That 'someone' being them or us [The West]. And like i've said, being exhiled from society is something that would be good for everyone. He would be punished for his actions, and basically...thinking about what he did, until he dies naturally. Kinda like permanent Time Out if you will.

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Why is there no justice in death? Is it because the convicted are not granted the opportunity to be punished for the crimes they've committed?

Because I don't believe that death is justice, but more like a archaic form of personal vengance on a subminal level. You gain nothing by killing another life. And if you're a christian...holy shit, you commited one of the top ten sins, no matter how much your actions were sincere and 'good for the rest of the world'. I'm not as christian as I used to be, but I think some of those ten laws [the big one being 'thou shall not kill'] should be something the west should embrace.


Random question...are you a righty? *smirk*

I was speaking idiomatically.

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I seem to recall "Thou shalt not kill" having a lot of exemptions made to it, especially if it's in the name of God, like the Crusades.

Yes, and that was horrible. I think both religions should be ashamed of that tragedy, but that's just me. Its sad when Religion makes exceptions to certain things, because from a religious standpoint, you can't stay on the fence.

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That's that bullshit.

Whether you lock Saddam away for the rest of his life or kill him, the end result is the same. Might as well go with the speedy execution and be done with him. We're dealing with the kind of people who don't react well to 'someone acting big and ending it.' They only respect overwhelming strength.

What does that sentence mean? Who's the 'people'? The Arabs? So a speedy death is good and fast....again who are you to say what dies? No one here I think is in that position. BTW what is YOUR political standpoint, because I think political preference has something to do with this topic, especially the way it's going now.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?