Math-invention or discovery?

People didn't invent math; math invented people.

Math isn't invented. It's derived. The language that we use to describe math is "invented" I guess, but the properties of math are inherent to the universe.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Arainach

...but I'd love to hear how things such as non-euclidian geometry, imaginary numbers, and most of modern theoretical mathematics fit into the known Universe.

So would I. Just cause we haven't created a way to test or apply any of those ideas doesn't mean that they aren't true. I think we're to a point where we'll continue to discover more properties of mathmatics, but catching up in the sense of technological application will be difficult.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Not so wise Vivi. Just cause something can be done "different" and "complicated" doesn't mean that it's invented.

Let's check out dictionary.com

math·e·mat·ics /ˌmæθəˈmætɪks/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[math-uh-mat-iks] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun 1. (used with a singular verb) the systematic treatment of magnitude, relationships between figures and forms, and relations between quantities expressed symbolically.
2. (used with a singular or plural verb) mathematical procedures, operations, or properties.

If math is just the symbols to illustrate the relationship between quantities then sure it's, "invented." But if math is the actual relationships themselves, outside of any specific language representation, then math has just been waiting to be discovered and described.

How ya doing, buddy?