NIN:Year Zero debate.

Aramaethe, I see where you're coming from. I'm also a conservative (labeled!) and am not too keen on any overly political albums. I also disliked emotive by apc. I think one of the major problems with similar albums isn't so much the lyrical content as the fact that it severly dates itself. It's difficult to think that a "I hate George Bush" song could ever be a timeless classic. Granted music like this is sometimes necessary as a means of self expression, but it doesn't mean that I look to Trent Reznor or any musician for their political opinions. He's a muscian, not a political theorist.

I can understand an appreciate a work that is highly political (I thought With Teeth was fantastic though obviously extremely politically charged... only problem on that album was that it was way too short), but I prefer songs that are more ambiguous or universal in their interpretations merely for the fact that they hold a greater potential to speak to future listeners who may not be educated on whatever events the song was based on.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Yeah I actually liked that song a lot aside from the fact that it was a radio song. (radio songs get played out too fast!) But, yeah it rocks. It was very political, but it wasn't overly specific. The song can be applied to a lot of different things aside from the obvious.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Aramaethe

Why are you so angry? Did I fuck your mom or something?

Alright dude, not cool. Way to make yourself look like an ass.

How ya doing, buddy?

One thing that's disappointing to me about Trent is that I can't see why he doesn't appreciate the opportunities that he's had as an American. He's been able to persue his passion, become a highly influential individual, and made a shitload of money. It would've been considerably more difficult to achieve the level of success that he's had anywhere else. I'd just figure that instead of bashing the US, he'd use his influence to encourage others to persue their passions in hopes that they could achieve the same successes. But maybe that's just too happy of a message for Trent.


But whatever, I'm still buying the new album. Which one will this be, Halo 23?

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Nah, he's allowed to do whatever he wants. Just doesn't seem logical to hate on a place that's given you the oppportunity for your success.

I was speaking idiomatically.

I guess from my point of view, there are times when I get the vibe that he doesn't just disagree with current foreign or domestic policy, but that he hates the entire establishment. I could be wrong in gathering that impression, but that's the vibe I've picked up on.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by knkwzrd

There's a difference between hating your country and having criticisms of it.

Also, why are people bringing up A Pirfect Circle's Emotive as an example? That was a covers record, and as your disliking is lyrically and not musically based, you're essentially dismissing the collective works of John Lennon, Elvis Costello, DEVO, Black Flag, Led Zeppelin, and Depeche Mode.

EDIT: Oh geez... You're last post kind of makes that opening sentence irrelevant.

With regards to Emotive, perhaps you missed the part where I said, "I think one of the major problems with similar albums isn't so much the lyrical content as the fact that it severly dates itself." Also, when you take something as profound as Imagine and try to pass it off as a "don't vote for George Bush song" I think it sells the song short.

Also, just cause you don't like a cover doesn't mean you "dismiss the collective works" of the covered musician. I love the song Landslide, but I can't fucking stand the Dixie Chicks butchering of the song.

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