Superman Returns

Originally Posted by Sadako

Is Lex Luthor still going to be somebody I can't take seriously? I really like his recent cartoon portrayal over anything I've seen in the films.

Can you take Kevin Spacey seriously?

Jam it back in, in the dark.

in the first movie he didn't fight anybody as far as a slug fest. instead he had to deal with luthor's crazy plan to drop the san andreas fault into the ocean.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Yeah, but Lehah, Danny's done ok for himself considering he's had no formal musical training.

He's rocked out with his kick ass band, oingo boingo, done some memorable soundtracks, and he did get an academy award nod for the score for Good Will Hunting. On top of it all he's married to bridget fonda and she's hot.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

That actually looked pretty badass. BR looks to be doing a convincing job. Spacey will probably make the movie gold. Special effects looked most impressive. June can't come soon enough.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

That's an awesome poster, although I wish he had more of a barrel chest. He looks a bit too scrawny and emo.

I was speaking idiomatically.

It's kinda funny how they're supposedly jumping off the point where Supes banged Lois when he became human for a short time in Superman II. They're hinting at the idea that the kid is actually his, and that he's flown away leaving a preggo lois back on earth. I guess Singer has completely forgotten that they made two other Superman movies after the 2nd one. They both sucked, but still. I think they should've just started from the beginning and did a complete retelling of the origin story.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Is is just me, or are a lot of the promotional photos putting emphasis on weird stuff. For example: Look at the pic of Superman standing in Simo's sig. He's tipped back slightly and the S on his chest has a glare on is and is slightly out of view. But his hips are pushed forward seeming to draw attention to his crotch. I just don't get it. The S on his chest (which should be huge) should be the primary focus of the shot instead of his package.

That trailer was way more cool. Hahaha, a bullet in the eye. Geeze. Then it was like, BAM! The S!

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by mrman1

Just heard about the $300 million budget. WTF?!?! Aside from Kevin Spacey, where is the money going? Does this film have a $250 million FX budget or something?

My guess is special effects. If you go to bluetights.net you can check out video journals of the production of the movie. They developed a lot of new stuff for flying rigs that probably cost a fortune. In addition, I think they pretty much built an entire airplane just for the movie.

If you count the cost of everything... including the costs of all the crap back when Tim Burton and Kevin Smith were attached to the project ages ago, it could very well be considered the most expensive movie ever made.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

That's true Freddy. I'm hoping that this Brandon Routh guy can act the part really well. Cause if he can't...and he doesn't even look the part... ugh. At least we can bet that Spacey will be awesome. And Kate Bosworth is nice to look at.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Eh, not big enough Simo. I want him to look like this:



There's nowhere I can't reach.

mrman1, you should definitely check out the flying rig machine. From what I remember, it's completely green to go with the green screen shots.

http://www.bluetights.net/bulletin_list.php

I think it's video journal No.10

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by SpaceOddity

Really? I'd read that this was supposed to take place after Superman II (while disregarding III and IV, which I'm happy about LOL).

Granted that III and IV sucked balls compared to the first two films... I don't understand creating some weird screwed up continuity. Why not just start fresh with an origin story like they did with Batman, or if they're going continue from where the old flicks left off why not include all of them?

Yes Superman III was pretty much crap and IV was one of the worst movies ever. III was so dumb... Superman fights a fucking computer and Richard Pryor... ugh... dumb.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

The events of Superman II don't need spoiler tags. At the end of the movie he kisses her and it's so overwhelming for her or whatever, that she somehow forgets everything. Then shit Superman III comes out and Clark heads back to Smallville and sees Lana Lang.... but nevermind those other Superman movies, cause Superman Returns is the REAL Superman III. How silly.

I was speaking idiomatically.

I finally got a chance to see it lastnight, and found it to be very enjoyable on the whole. Routh definitely exceeded expectations in his portrayal of the Man of Steel as well as the bumbling Kent. Spacey was great although I wished we'd seen more of his frustration with his incompetent staff. Those boots he was constantly wearing were killing me... so damn funny. I think that Kal Penn was a poor choice of casting. It wasn't that he did a bad job (he didn't say much of anything) but moreso that I kept asking myself, "wait, what is Kumar doing in this movie?" He just seemed out of place. Also, Jimmy Olsen bugged me. He seemed too plastic and too young. If Superman had been gone for 5 years, then how old was Jimmy when he started working for the planet... 15? Sam Huntington just looks way too young.

Jason's (Lois' kid) hair bugged the shit out of me. What's with Hollywood and giving every 8 year old kid a mop top haircut? Maybe it's just me, but I can't remember the last time I saw an 8 year old boy with a mess of hair like that. Other than his look, the kid was decent.

The special effects were top notch. Despite the CG looking obvious in a few sequences... nobody's ever flown like that before.

The storyline was decent, however I still think they should've started from scratch. It's a difficult task to re-introduce a storyline that's been dormant for 25 years. I thought a lot of it was a stretch to flow off of a plotline that was started so long ago. It also leaves a number of holes in the story that comic nerds will argue about... explaining away for months to come. The benefit to making a sequel to the previous film is that hopefully it will encourage movie goers to go home and rewatch Superman I and II, cause they are kickass movies that should be appreciated.

The score was solid although I wish Ottman would've made more use of the Williams themes. It hit the emotional highs and lows. The sad chiming of that music box sounding track fit really well.

A few places in the movie were too slow paced and lacking in substance as far as dialogue goes.

The dialoge wasn't as witty as in the first Donner movie. There were times where I was expecting more of a comedic element from Jimmy, or bumbling Clark, but it didn't deliver. It seemed as though every funny one-liner was crammed into the trailers. I was glad that they re-used a few of the lines from the first movie like the line about flying being the safest way to travel.

Spoiler:

as far as Jason being Supes' son... ah, I didn't care for it all that much. Hurling the piano was cool, but why didn't he attempt to use his strength at all after that? Hell, they were drowning! Also, instead of Jason, she shoudl've named him John, or Jonathan so he could coincidentally have been named after Jonathan Kent.

Cool, Superman drinks beer? I loved the line in the first movie where he says, "I never drink when I fly."

I wish Superman would've elaborated more concerning his journey to Krypton.

I'm wondering how Superman got his ass kicked by all Lex's henchmen, just cause the landmass was so dense with kryptonite, yet he somehow manages to lift the entire thing and fling it into space. In the old flicks, he'd be basically crippled if you got kryptonite within a 10 foot radius of the guy. Now he can somehow lift an entire continent of the stuff and retain temendous strength?

Singer certainly went out of his way to show Supes as the Christ-head figure what with him dying and coming back to life. They threw the word "savior" around multiple times. When Supes gets beat down by Lex and his buddies... it seemed very Passion of the Christ ... clear down to him being stabbed in the side. Also after he launched that giant land mass into space, he hit that Jesus Christ pose before plummeting back to earth.

His meeting with Jason at the end was good, but Lois didn't seem quite dumbfounded enough at the end. Also, I would've like to have seen him reveal to his mom that he was ok.

Does anybody remember the clip from one of the trailers where Ma Kent is hanging with some old dude and he says, "heard you flew in lastnight." Where was that scene cause I don't remember it at all. Maybe I just completely misssed it.

Overall I'd give the movie an 8 out of 10. It's an awesome comic movie, though it can't touch the Spidey flicks, or Batman Begins. I hope they do another one.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?