I can't dance, going to clubbing

The easy answer for club dancing in the U.S.: Dry humping

If you're not into raping girls from behind, then just moving to the music is also a really good way to dance w/o looking like a fool. Most men move their feet and upper part of their body, and it somehow causes their whole body to move. Avoid moving from the hips since it's mostly feminine, except for latin dances.

If you're the kind of person that does drink, then you may want to have a couple of drinks before you hit the dance floor. Just make sure you don't get too drunk. I was dancing with this one guy and he was a good dancer, but he kept saying, "Sorry I can't dance. I left my alcohol in my dorm and I can dance better when I'm drunk." He said that the whole night, so I made up an excuse to leave so I wouldn't have to listen to his whining.

Confidence is very important. You could dance like Usher, but if you keep apologize for how bad you dance then it could easily chase those girls away. It's better to be a lame dancer but have fun than to be a great dancer who is always talking and apologizing for everything.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

I have a cuddle buddy, but I wouldn't let him kiss me because for some crazy reason I feel that kissing is more intimate than cuddling, but that's just me. I think she may have been caught up in the moment and lack of sleep caused her to become less shy possibly. Either that, or 5:30 AM was just too early and she was still sleepy, which is probably the reason why she said "maybe another time" to the kiss.

Give it a little time. See how she reacts the next time she see's you.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

I agree with the advice I have read about the trip for tomorrow. Let her know that you're interested, but don't seem too clingy. If she doesn't want you, give it some time and don't chase after her unless the signals are there.

Originally Posted by MetheGelfling

Wait a sec... dude, why are you 25 and asking a bunch of kids on a gaming message board for advice? This is blowing my mind.

I know a few 12 year olds that could teach some 40 year olds a thing or two about sex, disturbing but the kissing situation isn't exactly shocking. Maybe the rest of his buddies have no clue and this could be a last resort since there are a few members that are over 25. Or, maybe he just feels more comfortable talking to on-line people than off-line since they're not face-to-face. I don't find it odd, in fact, having an older person consider the opinions of younger people as important is hard to find.

Granted, if he were 50 then it would be a creepy, but he's still around the age that some of the people on the fourm are, so why not ask for advice?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I agree that bribery isn't the way to go. I've seen so many women use men or stay with men just so they can get as many gifts as they could and then leave. Not say that she would do that, but it's just something to be cautious about. After all, you gave her that stuff animal, so you don't need to shower her with gifts yet.

However, I also agree with vampiro and if you have a little something from the last date, you could give it to her. Or, if you do want to give her something, give her a flower or some candy--but don't go all out and buy her a dozen roses and a box of imported chocolates. That way, it's not so extravagant that she feels guilty or could use you, but it's still semi-romantic and it could blend well with the sunset viewing. Even asking her if she wants to borrow your jacket could be counted as the gift. I know it seems lame, but you're not yet in the relationship and she seems like the romantic type if she likes to watch the sunset.

What I'm saying is, you really shouldn't give her an extravagent gift that will last for a long time. However, if you are one of those people that HAS to give her something, make sure it's small, inexpensive, and can't be taken back to a store in exchange for cash (a poem, the jacket offer, etc.). I've seen too many men hurt by this and too many women corrupted by it.

Definitely try to sneak in a kiss if you can. You don't even have to start off full-lips, you could just sneak one on the cheek or a kiss on the hand to coarse her into kissing. If she rests her head on your shoulder, sneak one in on the head or forehead. Hopefully, this will cause her to give you a full view of her face and lean in for the main kiss (it also keeps her from freaking out since you've basically gave her hints to what you want to do).

Good luck.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by CryHavoc

Yeah see what i mean.. Visavi paid attention to a detail i totally missed, cuz she's a girl and like i said, females detect stuff more accuarately.. That she sounds romantic And you wanting to give her gifts also means you're a bit romantic too, at least that's how we guys try to get romantic. So she sound slike a perfect fit for you and i need to shut up :P .. Just don't go overboard with anything.

Nice Visavi, discussing stuff like this does help, i should pay more attention to shit like that in real life myself !

Thanks, I'm a female with more male friends, so I try to get into both minds in order to help them. I think you made a good point about avoiding gifts, but there are men--like some of my male friends--who feel that they have to give/buy a girl something on the first date or else they feel rude. Small things like flowers or candy can be romantic, or even a poem. However, gifts aren't necessary for the first date.

Originally Posted by christinajon

Giving her a bunch of gifts might make her feel uncomfortable. I know that I would feel awkward if a guy gave me a present everytime we hung out.

I think Visavi has given you some great advice. Try and sneak a kiss on her forehead or cheek. Honestly, a forehead kiss has always seemed like the cutest thing a guy could do. It shows that you really like her and care about her.

Thanks. The idea of receiving a lot of gifts without giving back in return would make me feel guilty, but I know quite a few girls who will actually forbid to tell a guy she's not interested in him b/c she wants more gifts. I got the idea of the forehead kiss from a former crush that decided to go out with a friend of mine. The guy is Catholic, so whenever my friend was sitting down, he would either stand up or walk over to her and kiss her forehead.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by valiant

Dude where is your backbone? Don't apologize ,be a real man, do whatever you feel that is necessary. Advice is there to pick and determine which is useful for yourself.

Here is my two cents...
Who cares if she knows you are going to the zoo? A gift isn't necessary, just show her pics or something of what you did there...and HENCE a good way to spend time with her by instigating conversation of your experiences in person. I personally like conversations that kill time (usually taking hours...wondering if this is a bad thing?) with the opposite sex. Then recommend dinner afterwards and have a great time one on one. It is nice to have some quiet time afterall rather than going from place and event.

Though anyone could help me out just to clarify from a girl's perspective since I never asked...do they they enjoy long haphazard conversations? (usually when I sit down and chat with one...they usually last 3-6 hours...).

It depends on the girl. As long as the conversation is interesting and they get to add to it then it could be enjoyable. I do agree that if you really want to get her a gift from the zoo, pictures would probably be the best thing since they are not expensive and allows her to believe that you care enough about her to think of her in taking pictures with a less chance of her expecting expensive gifts. Besides, the pictures could tempt her for future dates that may include the zoo, and if you already buy her one thing from the zoo, then what are you going to do if you do become a couple?

However, like Cry Havoc said, you REALLY don't need to give her a gift since you're not dating yet. I know that some people find it very hard not to shower people with gifts, but it will let you know the real her and she won't feel guilty about receiving the gift. Also, it keeps you from thinking back and saying, "I can't believe I wasted $25 and she still turned me down."

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by gaming

An unexpected person came with us yesterday.
Her little girl cousin that I carried to the parking space a few days ago at the carnival. She had been crying or something, so that's why she came with us.
I don't know if it's true or just because she's not feeling safe with me.

I think I'm giving up on her. I do like her and all that, but something tells me that this is not going to work out. It's also taking too much time, something I don't have.
She promised that I would see her again another time, but I don't think that will happen.
I'm not going to e-mail her and remind her because I don't want to sound needy. I believe that if she really wants to see me again, she'll make contact.

I pulled the same trick with my ex-cuddle buddy. He has this fascination that I want to spend 24/7 with someone who just wants to cuddle with me and sleep with men. He's using me as an escape from his parents, and spending more than 2 hours with him starts to get tiring, so in order for him to bring me home within 2 hours, I made my little brother come with me. She may be telling the truth, but from what you've explained about her, I'm willing to bet she's using her as a distraction or barrier.

Moving to a new place could give you a better opportunity at more women. I don't know about the whole "she'll make contact" if she wants to see you since some women believe that the men should make contact first, but from what has been explained, I think you're better off not worrying about her. Good luck at your new place.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by How Unfortunate

Wow, a legitimately useful post. Cool. (Can see this being helpful both ways...)

Yes, it is harsh and I should know better, but you live you hopefully learn right? Also, the guy is very thick in the head and doesn't understand the meaning of curfew.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?