Holocaust Deniers Gather in Iran

I heard an Iranian ambassador say something along the lines of "We are testing the belief that the Holocaust occurred, and that if it did, exactly how many jews died in it's duration." So they aren't denying that it occurred outright, because otherwise they wouldn't entertain the possibility that it did in fact happen. I think they are contesting the figures too. People never seem to recall the huge numbers of gypsies, homosexuals, africans and other ethnicities that also perished in the death-camps.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

A policy like that is in place to cover a country's ass. Nevermind that many Nazis and xenophobic nationalists never left Germany after WW2, or that there is a large and growing Neo-Nazi movement in Germany nowadays. They have to have draconian laws like that in place to make it look like they're actually trying to atone for their infamous past. Genuine freedom of speech does not exist, in the same way that genuine equality didn't exist in "Animal Farm".

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It's up for debate to PISS YOU OFF. There is no other reason. Of course they know that it happened, but just like there is a wave of Islamophobia spreading across Europe, with more and more European countries creating ever more brazenly discriminatory laws against certain mosque-visiting members of their populations, there is a wave of increased anger crossing the Middle East. You piss them off, they'll try to find a way to piss you off. It's really THAT simple.

Frankly, I don't think there should be a law against it anymore than there should be a law against teaching any religions or Creationism or anything else. There are plenty of people that think the moon-landings didn't occur. There are still some that believe the earth is flat. The most powerful man on earth still keenly awaits the return of Jesus Christ within his own lifetime and takes orders directly from some kind of phantom he calls "God".

So many people died from all around the world during that terrible war. I guess they were big enough to grow beyond that horror and get on with their lives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_W...ies_by_country

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

As I said, but you people are deftly ignoring, the whole point is to piss you off. I'd say it's a glorious victory to Iran so far. Iranians are amongst the most highly educated populations in the world, and they inhabit lands where human civilisation first took root after thousands of years of nomadism; a country that was a seat of learning and scientific advancement for centuries. Their leader is a wily schemer who knows how to push your buttons. Do not make the mistake of assuming that they're stupid, because they are not. It is a (frankly not that subtle) attempt to get you riled up, and it succeeded.

If you are going to have laws that limit one's freedom of speech, let's play fair about it and restrict the freedom for people to say other inflammatory or obviously incorrect things, or not at all. Let's not play favourites when it suits us.

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Originally Posted by a lurker

Ifs speak louder than other words. Call me pedantic if you want, I'm just having a hard time believing that they won't come to some startling revelation that only a few hundred thousand jews died if anything.

Do you really give a shit? You obvious KNOW that it occurred. This president is at best only going to be able to convince a minority of idiots in his own country that it didn't happen, if that. These people are inconsequential to you. It shouldn't bother you, just like it apparently doesn't bother you that the KKK in your own country continues to spread hatred, or that the Neo Nazis in Germany spout utter bullshit about homosexuals.

We won't go back to lynchings not because there are laws in place to specifically stop an organisation intent on commiting those acts, but because there are already in place very old laws. MURDER IS A CRIME. That is more than enough to be able to lock these bastards up. The argument changes into whether or not a person should get a longer sentence for a "hate-crime". That has been up for debate here in the past, so I won't dredge it up again.

Double Post:

Originally Posted by BigHairyFeet

I get it, you're the Propaganda Minister right? This is the country that's so smart they've not only gotten the historians riled up, they've also got the U.S and E.U goverments riled up over the theat of a nation supporting the destruction of Israel and the U.S holding a nuke in their hand. I think that's absolutely brilliant of Iran. When they've been wiped off the map and/or invaded, and the world has collectively shat on their leaders, we'll come back to your post and marvel at how correct your analysis was

I'm not the propaganda minister, obviously. Isn't the US the same country that is going, cap in hand to its two greatest enemies, asking that they intervene in Iraq to bring order to it? A country the US has failed to subjugate despite their having no weapons of mass destruction at all? Has any nuclear power yet been invaded that recently acquired that capability (hello Pakistan - probably harbouring Bin Laden himself)? Posturing is fine and dandy, and so are big impressive words. Talk is cheap; actions speak louder.

I in no way ADVOCATE the decision of the Iranian government to question the holocaust, but if we claim to be so much better than them, let them mess around and have their fun. As I have said, their decisions whatever they turn out to be, are utterly inconsequential to the world at large.

I was speaking idiomatically.