[General Discussion] Shmups on the nextgen HDTV

Originally Posted by devilmaycry

http://www.racketboy.com/retro/2006/...ga-sequel.html

Racketboy is a relyable source in my book so it's not bullshit, plus I have Treasure's sayings in way higher account than SNK's.

This news makes absolutely no sense, for a few reasons.

First of all, they said that there would be a new "shooter" released. Right? Treasure have made Gradius V, Bangai-O, Radiant's series and Sin and Punishment. So automatically assuming it's going to be an "ikaruga sequel" is inaccurate.

Second of all, Treasure make games few and far between. In an interview they said they deliberately make them challenging so you'll have something to work on which will tone your reflexes as well as feeling like you've achieved something by passing a hard level/area. So they aren't stupid. Now, with saying that, why would they be making it for the 360, when the 360 has next to no interest with the japanese?

Senko no Ronde looks great, but G.rev aren't too bright. Releasing Under Defeat on the Dreamcast in 2006, instead of the PS2, was a fucking dumb move. Yeah I bought the limited edition, but they would have made many more sales had they of chosen the PS2. Milestone are in the same boat with Radilgy.

How I see it is that you have an obsession with the Dreamcast and you're worried that a (practically japan-exclusive already) genre will die with the next generation consoles being out. Well guess what? Technology moves on. Shmups are going to be few and far between and they've been getting more and more obscure since the 90's. It's just how it is.

You seem to have something against the Wii, but face it, it isn't supporting HD and there's already 2 2D games available (Trauma Center, MSA) for it. If anything you'll be seeing 2D games on the Wii over the other 2. If the Wii isn't aimed at "hardcore gamers" but more a direct public, who cares. So long as the games get released it doesn't matter.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

You avoided the fact that just because they mentioned "shooter" doesn't necessarily indicate that it's going to be a sequel to Ikaruga.

G.rev is hardly what I'd consider newly formed either. What, they didn't turn enough profit from Border Down to release Under Defeat on the PS2? I dunno. Making games for the Dreamcast in 2006 almost feels like beta testing.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by devilmaycry

First you'll notice that I said according to the article Treasure would be releasing Radiant Silvergun 3, even if this game is released it won't be called Ikaurga 2, Treasure never does that.
Also I don't really care if it's a new Ikaruga simply because I don't think the game is that good as many belive, it's simply the most well known recent shmup, it's good but hardly the best even on DC.

Wow. Just wow. Read what I am writing. I said that it isn't necessarily going to be a sequel to Ikaruga, meaning Radiant Silvergun/Ikaruga/the chain as a whole. I mentioned other shooters which are available from Treasure and the possibility of them releasing a title which isn't from the Radiant/Ikaruga line is highly plausible.

Also, releasing a title on the 360 is dumb, like I said, which is why this is more rumour material. Actually I know about this. It was posted on an upcoming list of registered games on some site, stating Treasure (shooter) (unknown) where unknown was what the title of the game was going to be, along with Raiden 4, which also has it's own website yet the Treasure title is absolutely nowhere in sight.

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6 years ain't a hell lot of time when you compare with other heavy weights, plus they are a 8 man company (lol), you bet they don't wanna take more risks than what they need to.

And how many people work for Treasure? Something like a grand total of roughly 6. So, not a lot, and because of this their games are few and far between. It makes sense that they'd release a sequel, or spiritual one even, but on the 360? That makes no sense. Also, this was brought up around the early 2006 period when the 360 was still fresh and the hot item. Now that the other two consoles are out, they're probably considering them.

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Now that you made a complete jackass, idiot and moron figure of yourself could you please take your ignorant trolling somewhere else? Thanks in advance. BTW you are in my black list now. Have fun.

You mean to say you haven't trolled in responding to almost every response in this thread with a hostile manner?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by devilmaycry

3. I'm only hostile to persons who barge into topic about how a vertical shmup will be developed considering the wide screen TV ratio with stuff like: shmups will DIE and the last of them will be on the Wii because you want to or how companies you know nothing about should do stuff the way you think it's smarter or even how I'm obcessed with the Dreamcast.

I don't see why people can't rotate their HDTVs sideways and play their vertical shooters like so, but I highly, highly doubt they're going to do that, as they're of a high size usually, unless you have a 20-30" one. Besides, vertical shooters are supposed to be an arcade experience, not a high def in-with-the-rest genre that's keeping up with the other games available.

Shooters are almost dead anyway. I'm probably the biggest shooting fan on gff second to MrMonkeyMan who posts once every 5 years. I'd love to see more games for the next generation consoles, but there isn't going to be very many in this catagory. Seriously.

I'd much rather prefer the genre to stick to Dreamcast, Gamecube, and PS2. Most of the CAVE titles I own, along with a bunch of other shooters. The problem is, 2D doesn't look good on HDTV's. Even with 480p, 16:9 isn't bound to happen. How many 2D games support 16:9 aspect ratio, let alone the 480p?

I can think of Sega Ages 25: Treasure Box, which does both. But I've compared a 29" HDTV 480p/16:9 Gunstar Heroes to a standard 29" SDTV with component, and the component looked better. Seriously, you would be surprised at how poor some of the games on HDTVs look if they're 2D. Take Disgaea for a example. Jagged and pixellation everywhere.

Like I said, they're best off in the PS2/GC/DC at the moment. There's a few xbox shooters but I avoid them since they're on PS2 as well, and the controller sucks. I can't think of a single xbox shooter that's exclusive.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by devilmaycry

That because they are displaying 320x240 games on 640x480 resolutions with using any filters, they are just doing simple 2x scaling. If you do the same on you PC using an emulator you'll get the same results, that why image scaling filters like hq2x or 2xSaI were created, the thing is these filter are all GPLed so these companies can't use them without releasing their games source code and that's defenitely not going to happen.
Also CRT SDTV have a natural bluring that LCD screens don't have, that help reducing pixelation.

What I was trying to point out mostly was Treasure's released a 3-in-1 title which supports these modes, but it doesn't look better than the original. That's how I see the future of shooters on HDTVs.

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As a proof of concept, incase you don't belive me here's a screenshot of an upcoming 2D PC shmup, using 480p resolution

On a PC is a little different to on a HDTV like the topic says. Unfortunately there isn't going to be a large amount of 2D games seen on HDTVs because they simply don't mix. One japanese doujin-esque game doesn't justify this.

This is why I said the Wii is more likely to have them. Just look at Metal Slug Anthology which is already out (in america). Component cables are out too, and there's third party ones which are cheap as hell. I'm sure I'd much rather prefer to play it on a SDTV over a HDTV. It's just too much hassle.

Originally Posted by Cetra

This won't be the case if the 2D game was developed natively for 720p with 1280x720 backgrounds and proper sprite resolutions.

How many 2D games currently have this?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by devilmaycry

3x WTF? HDTV also use the very same component cables!!! Infact component cables are the only HD cables available to Xbox 360 asides the VGA cable!!!!

What the fuck is your point? I know they do. I said that the Treasure Box, specifically Gunstar Heroes, looked better on an SDTV with component over a HDTV using it's 480p supported mode. This is one of the few titles which support these modes and it still looks bad.

Originally Posted by devilmaycry

..... what part of 320x240 resolutions scaled all the way to 480p without filtering is that you didn't understand?

What part of "it looked like shit and barely any 2D games have and will support HD" don't you understand.

Originally Posted by devilmaycry

Don't try to reason with this guy, he wants all games to be released on Wii no matter what, regardless of all logic, even if the game quality will suffer. I just hope he is alone in his insanity.

Funny considering you have none. You don't like the Wii "because of it's name" and "because it uses a powerpoint mouse" (according to you) and logic would say that the Wii, a console which isn't going HD and already has 2D games on it would see more 2D games in the future.

This isn't difficult to comprehend.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?