Why do some people regard nintendo as "kiddy"

Originally Posted by soniclover

Nintendo will NEVER stop being Kiddy until they give Mario a gun for no reason.

Comparing Nintendo to Sega is like comparing Bush to Kennedy. In this case, Bush would be Nintendo.

I'm sure if Nintendo named the 64 the Ultra 64, and the Gamecube as Project Dolphin, they would be more popular. But not by much. The only really "mature" games I can think of in the history of Nintendo are Eternal Darkness, Killer 7 and Resident Evil series. All of which can be disregarded if you're not into those things.

Nintendo titles and products have always put kids first, and that's why the majority of people here (1985~90 crowd) still stick with them. If I was new to the gaming scene, I'd probably disregard buying a Gamecube immediately, after seeing the amount of range on other consoles. After all, you're going to purchase a console for it's games, not for the actual console itself.

Back in the day, I followed the Megadrive crowd around. Not that there was an actual "crowd" or even a group of people, but there was still the SNES and NES scene, which all glared at, like some black person with blonde hair.

I ended up purchasing a Gamecube when the price dropped awhile back, and so far I've only managed to buy a single game for it. Value for money? No, obviously not. The same applies with my xbox, except I've been renting and downloading them as it's modded so it's a little different.

You're lucky Nintendo aren't aiming at the 85~90 crowd still, otherwise everything would consist of first person shooters and 3D fighting games.

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Originally Posted by NovaX

I don't get this, how can you just disregard them?

"Nintendo only has kiddy games, except for the games that are aimed at older audiences, but I don't like them so they don't count."

No.

If I don't like them, I disregard them. But that's just that - as the majority of Gamecube games are aimed at kids, over adults. Much like I disregard 3D fighting titles. It doesn't mean they don't exist, it's just the majority of 2D fighters have one up over on them.

There's still a decent amount of games worth buying for the Gamecube, but most of them would be Pikmin, SSBM, you know, game titles which are aimed at kids. It isn't a bad thing, but I'm sure that Eternal Darkness and Killer 7 are good games (I haven't played either so far, and I have no intention to, as I'm not really into horror/violent games. This applies to Silent Hill (after 1) Project Zero/Fatal Frame series, Siren series and so forth) but they're just not in my interest like others.

And that's it, really. The majority of people are more likely to choose cartoonish, animeish games over horror titles, for their kids and for themselves.

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Originally Posted by Deguello

Explain how Pikmin is "kiddy." But you are forbidden from using the following reasons:

1. It's rated E. So are Gran Turismo 4 and Madden. This reason is meaningless.
2. It has rich, colorful graphics as opposed to murky browns. Killer 7 had bright graphics too.
3. The lack of violence. Once again, no violence in something like Gran Turismo.
4. The lack of sexuality. If this makes a game kiddy, the list of the guilty gets quite long.

I eagerly await your answer, Elixir.

First of all, even questioning the mentality of whether or not Pikmin is a subtle kids game or not is major lol. Secondly, Madden has violence, and there's always mild violence in almost every game you see. That's usually how games work, people die, and you continue playing until you're capable of passing an area without dying.

Hardly reality. Except Gran Turismo 4 is attempting to imitate reality with the graphics and "real driving simulator" rubbish. I own 3, I've spent a decent amount of hours in 3, but I wouldn't consider it to be that real. Back when it was released, sure, but that was 2002 or something.

Pikmin's concept is simple, uncomplicated and anyone can do it. Madden has violence, isn't simple for people who haven't a clue of sports, and not for everyone. Gran Turismo is the same, and gets very complicated very easily, especially with the training courses and such. Both games have more depth over Pikmin, and aren't as challenging.

Speaking of Gran Turismo, how anyone can sit there through 200 laps of the same repetitive shit is beyond me. But that's another story.

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Harder and more complex makes not a mature game.

99% of the time, it does. Some kid is not going to get through Ikaruga without dying. A 20-something-year-old-guy could. The frustration in games can only keep a persistant young gamer amused for so long, before they're pissed off and stop playing. Someone with more patience and the will to practice is more likely to succeed, which is usually someone who is more mature and older.

Mario Soccer and Winning Eleven 10. Which is more "kiddy" and which would be easier to play? The comparison is obvious. Most games that are targetted at kids, whether they're within a concept (here, the concept is sports, shrouded by Mario and crew) or not, they're still getting the message out. Sports games. For kids.

And besides, I would doubt that very many kids prefer Winning Eleven, or any sports game for that matter, over the likes of Mario Kart or Mario Soccer. Unless you have some hardcore soccer fan, they're going to settle with the more colorful, "for kids" title. It's marketing, and it works.

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Originally Posted by Malmer

shit

I can pick your response to pieces as well, but nobody wants to hear it. So why did you?

First of all. It doesn't matter what the ESRB rating is. If it did, kids wouldn't be playing GTA, Manhunt, Under Pressure or Resident Evil 4 for that matter. But they manage to do so without any trouble whatsoever.

Second of all, gore and fighting games still end up in the hands of kids. Why? Because it's "cool" to have games which you aren't meant to have. But what does this have to do with anything? Well, the point I'm making is that the "Everyone" rating is irrelevant. Read that again, and again, and again, and feel free to stop sucking your own dick in the process.

Third of all, take a 10 year old kid. He has just purchased Resident Evil 4, a game which has an R rating and also has gore, fighting, blood, death, and all the rest that's considered bad for kids. The game itself is pretty difficult in itself, and he's more likely to be frustrated with that over a Mario title or something more subtle.

That's a perfect example of a game which is aimed at the mature audience, hence the rating, but is one that kids would play. And when they're frustrated with a game, they'll go back to their Mario or Pikmin (which isn't hard, what a crock of shit) titles that are more "fun."

Because "fun" for kids, is easy. No majority of kid wants a challenge in a game. Fuck me blind if you see someone under 15 who appreciates shooting games (not first person shooters, you mainstream motherfuckers) for what they're really worth. The key in this is frustration. Depending on your age depends on how far you're going to tolerate a game for.

My mother plays Ms. Pacman, and she blames the controller. She's done this possibly over a hundred times. But you know what? She continues to play it. If she isn't in the mood, she won't play it. Parents and people of that age aren't meant to take games seriously, and they are more likely to play an easy game. The competitive gaming edge mostly applies to 15~45 year olds.

That said, most adults 25+ will be found with an xbox, PS2, or both. With sports, fighting, or first person shooting titles. It's because they're familiar with sports, shooting, or fighting. They associate with their games as they do with real life activities.

Of course, shooting, fighting, and sports, are all real life events. But you aren't going to find something like Halo in real life, that's just something brought on by popularity as a remix variation of something that's already enjoyed. First person shooting. Millions of xboxtards flock to E3 for information on Halo 3, millions of PStards await the next GTA. Why? Because that's what they associate with.

And the Gamecube fans flock to E3 for, well, the Revolution. Because the Gamecube is dead. The people that still own a Gamecube aren't playing it for the upcoming titles (there's not even that many, now) but for what they currently own, don't have, or they're not wealthy enough to purchase a console with more variety.

And what little of the Gamecube is left, will be either 1) Titles made from movies, such as X-Men, Spiderman, The Incredibles, or 2) Games released on the Gamecube as a test to see how well they'll perform on other consoles. They've been doing this for years with the Dreamcast, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Gamecube became undead and obscure japanese companies made beta games on it first, just to see how it pans out.

But enough about the Gamecube. The majority of kids (I know when I was one, I'd always be appealed by the characters and bright colors, over the more "mature" stuff) will go for Nintendo material. The majority of teenagers will go for the PS2. And the majority of adults seem to lean towards the xbox. Gamecube has the largest array of mainsteam cartoonish titles, while PS2 has the largest variety and is really a mixed bag. And then there's the xbox, with it's sports, fps, and fighting games which it's known for.

Given this fact, most collections you'll see out of gamers or just casual console owners in general, will either contain a Dead or Alive title for xbox owners, SSBM, Pikmin, Luigi's Mansion (in other words, a "aimed at kids" title) for the Gamecube owners, and for PS2 I can't really tell.

I must address that ultimately it's the range of games that the console designers decide to produce and help produce which influence their console and what people will view their console as. It's up to the consumer to purchase whichever they prefer.

It's inevitable to avoid or ignore the amount of titles on the Gamecube that are regarded as "kiddy", and if they weren't, this topic wouldn't exist. Which would be a good thing. Nintendo have brought this on upon themselves, along with the help of little others. But do proper titles like Beyond Good & Evil get the attention they deserve? Psychonauts? Nooooo, it doesn't have Mario on it or the Nintendo logo.

Also, it hasn't been confronted in this thread that Gamecube/Nintendo titles have to be exclusive to "kids only" for their reputation to exist. Simply because it isn't true, and you're free to play games at leisure. But the obvious won't go away just because people are decisive in their purchases - Nintendo products have always been bought for kids, from parents, or for kids, by kids. Whether you're an adult or not doesn't matter because the majority overrules the rest.

tl;dr) ESRB ratings are irrelevant, the majority of Gamecube games are for kids, games are only worth what the user gets out of them. Thread over.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Berto2K

Actually no you are completely wrong. The #1 reason why the kids get the games is because of irresposible parents. They don't know about the ratings, they don't read the boxes. I see it everyday at work. All it takes is to let the parent know that the game was designed for people 17+ and they make their child pick a different game. I do not stop them from taking a title. Just educate them on whats going on. And from this over 98% of the parents made their child pick another one. A couple say that its ok because they watch their child play, and there is one who doesn't care. But to say the ratings are irrelevant is just plain stupid.

Right, that's why I was bragging when I had Resident Evil at age 10.

Actually, you sound like an eb worker, or someone who's previously worked in a gaming store. Which is a bad thing, considering I'm basically typing words here and you're looking at them, and not actually reading them. Much like my experiences with gaming stores have been; "Do you have ____ game in now?" and the responses; "No." "It should be coming out in the year 20XX." "What platform is this GTA game you speak of for?" "I think it's going to retail at $129.95"

If some kid wants to play Resident Evil, the chances are he's going to play it. How? Well, whether it's a matter of switching discs with your copy of Crash Bandicoot or not, it doesn't matter. It also isn't the parents' responsibility for fucking video games and their ratings. If ratings were paid attention to as much as the ESRB corporation wished, developers would stop adding violence to their games and some game series would stop entirely, due to lack of profit.

Is there a "Not happening" macro? I'd really like to enter it in here, in between a bunch of sentences, just to break it up a little. You know, just to make things more entertaining for the viewers who are painfully loving the process of watching me type.

Manhunt was banned from my country. Did that stop me? Fuck no, I downloaded the entire game to PC and played it like that for awhile. If kids can't tell the difference between reality and fantasy, that's their problem. No ESRB rating is going to prevent that, especially when people blatantly ignore the fact that violence sells. And then they wonder why it goes behind their back.

Oh, and Beyond Good and Evil didn't bomb, it was a sleeper hit which you obviously haven't played if you're passing comments like that. Sure, blame a company for releasing multiple titles at once, I guess you can kiss companies like Konami good bye, then.

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Funny, my sister and brother-in-law, who fit perfectly into the mold you described, have a PS2. And yet, the only game they play on it is a game that I got for my brother-in-law for his birthday.

And do you know what game it is? We Love Katamari.

Sorta shoots your point down, doesn't it?

How many games on the Gamecube are colorful, cartoonish and aimed at kids, over the rest of the PS2 library? PS2's variety overshadows the amount of titles aimed at kids. The same, however, can't be applied for the PS1 anymore, seeing as how they've been making Disney and based-off-of-movie titles for it ever since it truly died. In fact I'm more inclined to think that a parent buying their child a console would be the PS1, still disregarding ratings, as the majority of their titles now are Mickey Mouse and Monsters. So it's not like it isn't difficult to understand.

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If ESRB ratings are so irrelevant, then why is the government raising a big stink about (unconstitutionally) giving the ESRB the power to enforce its ratings, or closing down the ESRB and opening their own review board?

Because the government has close to no idea how to moderate games. There's been a bunch of recent complaints over Manhunt, and Rockstar in general, but where was the media when Mortal Kombat was released back in the early 90's? Exactly. Oh, speaking of moderating, why isn't this thread closed. I'm just going to string a bunch of words together to make a sentence right here, right now, before your very eyes. Wheeee!

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Twilight Princess. =\

"In the year 20XX."

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Berto2K

The ESRB ratings were developed as and still are today used as guides to the (ignorant) parents. There are no rules other than what stores enforce from within their own corporate levels for a minor to buy a M game. Why do you think Acclaim made BMX XXX? Because they could. And what happened? It bombed becuase it wasn't something that consumers wanted. The more developers are going to keep relying on violence to sell their games the less they will sell.

So because a parent doesn't know that Resident Evil = horror violent title, automatically makes them ignorant? Wow okay guy, back the fuck up here. BMX XXX was banned in australia, along with I think brazil and a couple of other places. It didn't really get a chance but it was like someone had taken the Tony Hawk's Pro Rehash engine and turned it into a half naked bike game which had terrible controls and mediocre softcore porn.

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Actually the media was quite well aware of what was going on. It was on the news, it made the newspapers. In fact it was the one of the first games that triggered the start of the ESRB.

The media wasn't publically announcing that certain titles be forbidden from specific countries when it came to titles such as those. However with recent Mortal Kombat titles, it's different. Why, I really have no idea, but it's becoming more realistic and I'm sure there's only so far you can go with violence before it crosses the line. Also see, Thrill Kill.

But ESRB ratings will not stop a kid from playing a game, unless they're weak. Chances are, if they're under 18 and they're buying the game themselves with their own money, parents would let them buy whatever the hell they want. That's society. And I'm sure the amount of parents who actually care what their kids are playing over the amount of parents who don't is a huge difference.

And that's why ESRB ratings are stupid. Kids get what they want 90% of the time, and this situation is no different. There's more adults who give in to their kids and their demands, over the adults who don't. There's more demanding kids these days and that isn't going to change. If a game gets banned from specific countries for crossing the line, they've gone too far, and that's their (the game developers) fault. And it has absolutely nothing to do with ESRB ratings or the ratings influenec on whether the game is void from a country or not. They're just irrelevant.

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Oh look at the time...time to go to school little one.

Enjoy your day at pre-school. I hear they have Gamecubes there for entertainment now.

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Originally Posted by Berto2K

No it makes them ignorant for not reading the back of the box, or looking at the ratings box that says "Extreme Violence", and 17+.

Yes, because instantly it's the parents responsibility to literally scan over what their sons and daughters buy, like some sort of over protective freaks. Why don't you just rid a child of all it's freedom, eh? Nothing's stopping the parent from checking the box for ESRB ratings, but the fact that they don't even know that they exist doesn't make them ignorant.

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Its not my fault those governments aren't confident enough in their own constituents to make smart desicions for themselves and have need to feel like babysitters.

And it's not my fault 90% of failure titles come from america. But that's something to reflect on.

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It couldn't be that the world is adopting a "its someone elses fault my child did that" mentality could it? Also the gaming industry is mutliple times larger than it was back then. So naturally it is going to get more attention now that it did back then.

It didn't get enough attention back in the day, and now it's getting an excessive amount of attention which is unneeded. I know with your mentality and all, you probably haven't noticed, but the head spokesman for the banning of Manhunt also claimed you could shove people's dead bodies into trash cans, which apparently isn't true. Along with stuffing cut-off heads inside tyres and attaching them to cars, and driving around in them. All of this was announced on a documentary revolving around games and their level of violence, and all of it was false. However the game was and still is banned.

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Thats not the point. As I said, the ratings were made as a GUIDE TO PARENTS to the games. If the parents aren't paying attention to what their minor child is doing that is their own failt...no one elses.

"If the parent doesn't know that the rating exists, they're ignorant." is what you're saying. Great analogy there, considering the fact that a seemingly large amount of parents probably would bother with checking titles if they knew that there was such extreme violence in some of the titles. But not all titles are violent, yet they're still R18+ and so on. It depends on the game itself, but it still isn't the parents responsibility whatsoever. If an adult takes up knitting, does someone look over their shoulder just in case they poke themselves with the knitting needles? No, it's a hobby, much like gaming is for kids.

I really don't know how you can't see this, I mean, you claim to be smart, but you act otherwise, and I'm very confused. Please don't help me in resolving this issue, and in fact, shut the fuck up in the process. That would be helpful. No offense or anything, but you're not exactly replying with points anymore. It's just "your view" and that's it. I'm getting kind of bored, actually.

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I see..so its not the parent's fault for being weak minded and falling for thier kid's whines and complains for a game that was never supposed to be in their hands in the first place? Get real.

Lol this guy just doesn't get it.

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No, its the government's fault for not letting people make up their own minds. the developers have every right to make any game they want. Why do you think that less than 1% of games made receive the AO rating? Because they never sell and lose the companies money. A developer cannot make a diferent game to cater to each country's own tiny little rules for what a game has to be. Your shitty (not my words, but from a born New Zealander) government made the choice, set the standards, and the ruling.

First of all, stop making assumptions. Who said I was a born New Zealander? It isn't even the government's fault in this case, you're just acting like a fucking moron now. If people want to make up their own minds, as will kids, and as the ESRB ratings are disregarded through this process your little plot has become meaningless.

Furthermore to correct you in your utter stupidity, the government wasn't the ones to prevent Manhunt from coming to New Zealand. It was one person, in charge of what content gets and doesn't get into the country. I haven't said anywhere in this thread that it was related to the government, nor have I stated any real games that have been banned specifically for New Zealand. You seem to make it sound as if this is so, which is just more mindless text I've wasted my time reading through.

All in all, if you don't know what you're talking about, don't talk at all. The old phrase "It's better to keep your mouth shut when in doubt, as oppose to opening it and proving everyone you really are."

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I wouldn't know with my university diploma. Funny though...aren't you the one who dropped out of school?? Or was it failed out.

I like how you claim to know so much about me, when really you don't know a single thing. All you're doing is stabbing in the dark with random insults and dumb logic which really, for somebody who claims to have a university diploma, isn't a good mix.

That said, how about a thread close? I feel as if I'm wasting my time talking to somebody who claims to be of superiority with his big university diploma, but nothing to show for it. Unless I've missed something, properly addressing an issue without disregarding other matters isn't something this guy's good at.

I'm done here, feel free to make this thread the first one that hits the Wall of Shame once it's back up. After all, this thread was going good, but yeah. I don't really care for replies anymore as it's become so predictable that it's either Team Australia or the occasional random (the latter happens to be taking place currently) when it comes down to these sorts of threads. It just can't be helped.

Very lastly, I'd like to mention once again, that if Gamecube/Nintendo merchandise/games were not for kids, this thread wouldn't exist, and this wouldn't be questioned in gamingforce, gamefaqs, and other forums which I've seen this similar thread arise in. If there's enough people out there to accumulate a question of whether or not "Nintendo games are kiddy" then there's enough people to already know the answer.

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