Opera 9 Beta

I tried it. It was okay. I still prefer Firefox's malleability, Opera is too stiff when it comes to customization. Here's pretty much my list of things that bugged me about Opera. Tell me if I'm wrong/right:

• Biggest thing that bothers me is how it can't assume desired website like Firefox. If I type in "Pedro's Tracker" in Firefox's address bar, it will google that and take me to the first result, which would actually be btmusic.org:2710. Opera can certainly wrap www. and .com/.org/.net around a single word, like if I entered "gamingforce", but it doesn't have that same functionality as Firefox; it will google the false address and take me to the search results. I have become quite accustomed to this feature in Firefox, especially for websites like btmusic.org:2710 that are somewhat of a chore to type manually.
• Search engines next to the address bar. I want more, I want them in the order that I want, and I want to be able to delete them when I want.
• Don't try to open and run my torrent files. uTorrent > you
• Doesn't have Adblock + Filterset.G, which makes my online experience 99% ad-free.
• When I use Opera to save a webpage, it only saves the HTML. Sorry but I need the images and CSS as well.

There are a few technical advantages Opera has. RAM usage, HTML/CSS rendering, security. But in a strange way, I value useability over these kinds of features.

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Originally Posted by Aardark

Save As > Save HTML file with images.

Okay, I missed that. I didn't think the "Save as type" drop-down menu would have this. I don't think it should have to be selected but rather should be default. If I only wanted the source code I'd just right-click the page and look at the source code.

Originally Posted by Duminas

This isn't the most elegant, but if you go into Tools > Preferences > Search Engines (it's the third tab), hit the New button there. Then name it like... "Google Lucky" or something, for the keyword, use whatever (gl is what I'll say), then in the URL field, type the following:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%s&btnI=Google+Search

Now, to mirror that functionality in Firefox, all you've got to do is type `gl THING` to search and be sent at the first result. Again, not the most elegant, but it's what I'd suggest.

Or I can just click on links that automatically add new engines, line in Firefox, but okay.

Actually I hadn't noticed this feature in 9beta, it wasn't in 8.

Originally Posted by Duminas

Again, this is something you could have solved by looking in the preferences. Tools > Preferences > Advanced, then hit Downloads Disable the Hide types handled by Opera option near the top-right, then search for application/x-bittorrent, and hit Edit on it. Change what program is used to one of the fields further down instead of "Opera" (like "Use default program" or something), and then Opera won't handle torrent files anymore.

See that's pretty complicated if you ask me. Like I said, useability. Firefox would just ask me what program I wanted to open the file when I clicked on it, but of course in Opera I have to go dig through the settings to get what I want done.

The browser was uninstalled before I even bothered with this stuff.

Originally Posted by Duminas

I use adzapper, so it works fine for me. Tried one of those ad filtering programs? I know Windows has them, and a lot of them do just as good a job as Adblock. Even so, I generally don't block certain ads as site make their money that way.

Sage external ad blockers when Firefox has one integrated. Last thing I need is another background process running on my 4-year-old computer.

And just because you have ads in your face doesn't mean you're clicking them.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Duminas

Well, Firefox requires the exact same thing, and I want source only most of the time. Is this anything beyond personal choice?

Wait what? When I choose to save a page with Firefox, it defaults to saving both the source and the images/CSS/javascript. I was actually totally unaware that I could save just the source with Firefox same as I was I could save the entire page with Opera. It never bothered me because I'd rather have everything and delete what I don't need than to have some of it and wonder where the rest is.

Originally Posted by Duminas

Oh well? In retrospect, none of those engine add links ever worked for me. Nor did themes, and I had to manually install them. Don't mention the site security thing, since that's too confusing.

Okay, I've got to ask, when is the last time you used Firefox? I was using it before 1.0 and I never had consistent trouble with search engine links or extensions. I've had bugs where they don't always work correctly, and merely restarting Firefox fixes that.

Originally Posted by Duminas

And yet you tout Firefox for ease of use? Firefox is a pain to use for me, and most I've tried to show it to because it whores memory, and has NO features worth note over IE (save Tabs) out of the box that people care about. Also, if you told Firefox to automatically act on Torrents with a certain program, then changed your preference, you'd have just as much trouble changing it, since it's in the configuration.

Firefox doesn't so much whore memory as it doesn't know when to release it. I've played with Firefox, IE7, and Opera, and come to the conclusion that they are pretty much eat more RAM then I have. Firefox merely fails to release it as much as I'd think it would. Since each browser is pretty much running on my pagefile from the get-go, I've learned to get over it.

Originally Posted by Duminas

If this is your version of internal, I'd love to hear how you came to think that. It's external--an extension, same as other things; same as the blocker I use (which is, factually, just a local proxy with the adzapper script installed).

Okay and it ceases to function when I close Firefox. I'd imagine adzapper or whatever runs for as long as your computer does?

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Impressions. And I do actually click a lot of them, though I tend to use the Ctrl+W shortcut immediately afterwards. With adblock, that's not even possible, since a lot of its filters catch things I actually want. All the AdSense clones and such, for instance.

Apparently you want some ads but not others? I've certainly never seen Adblock + Filterset.G actually block something I want. Only ads. If it's an ad, I don't want to see it, which is why I downloaded a comprehensive set of filters called Filterset.G. But okay, if you want to see some ads but not others, cool.

Originally Posted by Duminas

Really not trying to turn this into browser wars, guys~

too late

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Why should I click once when I don't have to click once? Sorry, you get used to a feature over 2-4 years it's kind of hard to break a habit unless there's something better that comes along. Firefox's method is superior. If I just wanted googled results, there's the search bar right next to the address bar here in Firefox; I'd use that. I type in an address in the address bar, I kind of expect a web page as result.

Actually adding or removing search engines (easily) appears to be new to Opera 9. I had Opera 8 and didn't see that (at least not as plainly visible). Someone tell them to but their config options where I can see them. It's not super expert-user desire to want to change your search engine list, so put it in clear view in the options dialog. (This refers to Opera 8, Opera 9 handles it nicely.)

Opera 9 indeed defaults to open your torrent files. I don't remember being prompted and asked if I wanted to use it for my torrent files or not but I certainly didn't. I don't see why Opera is trying to handle - out of the box, no less - what's already handled adequately by other software. Coming soon: use Opera as a text editor and to make buttered toast. (If you want jam on your toast you'll have to dig through advanced preferences because it's not likely you prefer jam to butter.)

Adblock as far as I know is a Firefox extension and is therefore not available readily for other browsers. Prove me wrong on this?

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Oh right, offended, because I haven't tried several versions of the browser over the years and always found it inferior to what I was already using. I first tried Opera while I was still using Internet Explorer. I even pointed out all the things I liked about Opera, but it's clear that I just want to senselessly hate on it because I want to love Firefox so much~ I personally had no problem switching to Firefox from IE because Firefox had all the same features plus more.

Now I've been trying to switch to Opera, I want to switch to Opera, but I can't do it because it is simply not a better browsing experience for me. And it's not like I'm perfectly content with Firefox; the RAM whoring is a big issue for me especially on my older computer. It supposedly has very many unpatched security holes. Its ability to natively block ads has gotten worse over the years to the point that Adblock is a necessity.

But if I'm going to spend a huge portion of my time using this thing, I'd rather have it slow my computer down than be inadequate for my browsing habits. Opera simply does not have what I want how I want it and with as few headaches possible. I never had to "adjust" to Firefox or think through it; the switch was very natural. I find Opera awkward to use, configure, and extend and would much rather be comfortable with my current browser which never was. Is that so bad.

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For every piece of software that I've liked, there's been no need for "adjustment", just ease of use. It wasn't somehow painful to switch from Frontpage to Dreamweaver, or from MS Paint to Photoshop, or AIM to Trillian, or Napster to WinMX to eMule.

What is a personal gripe and what is an inherent flaw is kind of subjective. I could code a browser with next to no features and it might render webpages correctly and function, but that doesn't make it a useful browser in itself, and similarly it is not flawed as it accomplishes the tasks for which it was programmed.

Besides, I've pretty much been clear that the reasons why I won't use Opera are my own and never said the browser was entirely bad.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?