[Movie] LOST

No, the thing is, the show has way too many characters. So many that I actually forget sometimes that Walt's been missing for ages, and that Michael's been missing for several episodes as well. When Claire disappeared for a few episodes, I totally forgot she had disappeared as well. Of course, I wondered where these people were - in the back of my head. But after one to two episodes where they are simply gone and not really mentioned, I kind of just leave it alone.

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I think you're right to an extent. I still think they bring it up not frequently enough, or at least the obvious things don't concern them as much as they should. I don't think every episode should open with, "Man, I wonder where Michael is?" but we should be reminded somehow that people are missing.

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I don't think there should be that many gaps to endure for a while. LOST, like many shows, has fewer episodes than weeks in a season. I don't know if rare episodes is as bad as waiting from December until March, but what's made people upset is how there hasn't been a consistent line of episodes. We waited two weeks, and we get two new episodes, but I'm wondering if there will be a new episode after "Lockdown" which is coming up.

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My guess is that by 4/26 it'll be a consistent run up until the season finale? Who knows.

On an unrelated note, this is floating around the web and no one can completely verify or discredit its authenticity. IMO what kills it for me is the lack of a tiny model of the station's computer. You'll all have your reasons against from the first viewing, here are the reasons for.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Perhaps the poor acting was intentional; realistically not every scientist is super charismatic during an orientation filming. Can't judge mic recording since it's a flash video.

True on the B-roll of the project.

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I also have been thinking lately that Anthony is Sawyer's father, making Locke and Sawyer brothers (but I could easily imagine by different mothers).

Was today's episode really that great? Henry is not who he says he is, but I'm still not convinced he's an other, as they've been more malevolent in the past. Also, Henry's "plan"/cliffhanger on how he was gonna catch Ana/Sayid/Charlie was not true at all.

Then again, according to spoilers:

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Henry is supposed to explain to Locke that the hatch is not what he thinks it is.

I simply think Henry is a liar/deceiver but he is not 100% on anyone's side. I don't think he's a bad guy, either, as demonstrated by his care for Locke. Henry could have run away in the time it took to help him. He didn't. But he probably didn't count on his secret identity being uncovered either.

Waiting on a hi res screencap of the blast door under the blacklights.

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Now I'm just confused.

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Oh right, I meant Anthony = Sawyer, not (younger) Sawyer's father.

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Henry is a big mystery; since we've been tricked over and over again as to his real identity, right now I am not sure that he is actually an Other in the true sense of the word.

As far as the button pushing, he could have:
1. Pushed it.
2. Not pushed it.
3. Input something other than the numbers.

In relation to the lights going off, the voices on the speakers, the blacklights coming on, and blast doors coming/up and down, there's no sound pattern that can be derived from the timing of any of these events.

Then of course, the "lockdown" could have had something to do with the ration drop. Then again, why would it? People on the beach missed the event anyway. Which brings up another mystery: how did food get dropped? If it were a plane, they would have heard it for sure. Perhaps the food wasn't dropped? But then, why would it have a parachute attached to it, unless the intention is to confuse.

I like how the door doesn't even say anything significant, really. Obviously production team knew it would be deciphered within a day of its appearance and made all the writing on it very cryptic. The best it does is leave us with the question, "what's in the middle?" I'm wondering if that's what the security system actually protects.

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I want to know what happened to his 200,000 bucks. Fuck proposing to your girlfriend, you just don't walk out of a hotel room and leave 200,000 bucks on the table. I don't care who you are.

Also, during the lockdown, that sort of window covered by a grate closed. Is this some type of tunnel?

The bunker itself looked like it wasn't meant to be entered from the outside. The hatch did not have a handle. At best it looked like whoever was inside was allowed to get out, but people outside were not supposed to get in. I got the feeling that Locke and co. barged in when they shouldn't have; perhaps earlier than intended, if they ever were intended. It almost appears that under normal circumstances you end up in the bunker a totally different way. Locke entered it thinking it was his fate, but obviously he's forcing his way. There was already a dude in there doing his thing; no one else was needed.

That ? in the middle of the map looks like some central hub from which one accesses the other stations in a less destructive way. Anyone thinking the same thing?

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The magazine map describes cerberus as possibly the monster (but it only got one head) and describes its current state as a product of "The Incident of 1985". I'm wondering if this was "the" incident. But I don't know how communicating with Walt is going to lead to problems with it. As you can tell, I'm obsessed with the monster.

I wonder why fatalities are listed by where the ration drop is supposed to be. I mean damn, were people sleeping there.

Also wondering why their are stations drawn in that octagonal area, yet there are other facilities listed outside of that area completely (or previous but abandoned facilities.)

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I like how dumb I've been at figuring out the acronyms. I couldn't even figure out AH, and now that JazzFlight mentions DeGroot, I feel even dumber. I forget who DeGroot is supposed to be, though, but I remember his name being significant.

CV could equal Cerberus something, dunno if it means virus as I wouldn't think a virus is a location. I wonder if it is being referenced when "Hic sunt dracones" appears; which means "here be dragons".

Cerberus is a cool name. I tried to do research wondering if any variation of its myth said something about each head having a specific function. Didn't see anything along those lines.

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Supposedly five. I thought this might be too many, but since the mystery keeps getting wider, maybe it's just enough. As long as seasons 3-5 aren't as drawn out as this one, it will be fine. Let's not forget how most of season 2 has been filler with sporadic awesome episodes that draw back all who are frustrated with the lack of movement.

Don't know what they're going to do for flashbacks. I like how the flashbacks are no longer immediately relevant to the characters anymore, they're just there. This became very apparent in this past episode.

I was speaking idiomatically.

My prediction... I don't have one.

There was one rather intelligent theory I read on another forum that predicted that next season will skip ahead by a year, the reasons being that Walt's actor has reached a growth spurt and his height can't otherwise be explained (if they try to explain it with sci-fi, I will punch someone). Also, Sun's pregnancy will be pointless to the plot if this doesn't happen; if each episode is approximately, then she'll never have her baby in five seasons.

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Maybe that would be retarded

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I recently found that 'here be dragons' is a phrase used to note that one does not know what is in that area. Previously I thought it had greater meaning, but it's just a figure of speech. To those who didn't know. I know I've seen one translated map that had the phrase shown as, "There are dragons here". Which is kind of like translating "holy shit!" to "shit of God!"

"Shit of God". I think I'm going to start saying that a lot.

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Preemptive episode spoiler:

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Lets call this the great Dave debate. This episode will be the one we’ll be talking about for a long time to come. For some reason I didn’t notice the “previously on lost” at the beginning but in any case here we go.

Hurley and Libby jogging on beach
Talks about how out of shape he is
He confesses and shows her his secret stash.
She convinces him to change and he decides to get rid of it.
Now finds out there was a food drop
He sees Dave

He supposedly met Dave at the mental institution.
He was placed there by his mother due to “the accident”
Later we find out the accident put Hurley into a state of depression where he wouldn’t talk or do anything for a couple of months.

Hurley apparently was at a party of sorts and went out on the deck
This deck had been built for 8 people but had 23 on it
Hurley being the last one to go on it blames himself for the collapse of the deck and feels responsible for the two deaths that occurred.

He chases Dave on the island and falls before he can catch him.
Finds Daves’ slipper
Thinks he’s going crazy for seeing him
Goes to Sawyer for some meds he used to take
(Funny scene)
At the beach Hurley runs away to go live in the caves and stumbles upon food
And then Dave shows up
Hurley says “you’re not really here” Dave then beams him with a coconut which hurts him.

At the mental Inst.

Hurleys’ doc tells him Dave is being a bad influence on him and he shouldn’t follow Dave.
Dave doesn’t want Hurley to take the pills he was given.
Dave doesn’t want Hurley to change he likes Hurley just the way he is.
Doc takes a pic of them for bulletin board (look at the polaroid camera it has a label on the front of it, it could be something.)

Later shows it to Hurley and Dave is not in the pic.
Doc tells Hurley, Dave is just an imaginary friend who likes him.
Hurley is awoken at night by Dave
Hurley tells him about the picture Dave says it must have been photo shopped at Kinkos
He wants Hurley to escape with him to get cheeseburgers.
Hurley apparently stole the keys from the Doc

Dave goes out the caged window and Hurley locks it up and stays inside telling Dave to go away.

On the Island
Dave and Hurley have a talk about what’s going on
Dave acknowledges to Hurley that he is a figment of his imagination but also tells Hurley that after that night. You went into a deeper depression and your trapped in your subconscious.

You won the lotto using the numbers
You saw Ernie (the psych ward numbers guy) in the hatch (I don’t remember that but that’s what he said)
You’ve been on an island for two months and you haven’t lost any weight
You created a beautiful blonde who’s falling for you
Your still at the mental institution

Dave tells him the only way to get back is to jump off the cliff and he will wake up

Hurley believes him especially after Dave himself jumps off and plummets down.

Just them Libby shows up
Hurley suspicious now thinks he’s still making her up “remember I said you looked familiar its because I made you up.”
Libby tries to prove she’s real when she asks Hurley about the man who broke his leg on the other side of the island.



Libby -- “What was his name?”

Hurley -- “I don’t know”

Libby -- “His name was Robert, I buried him Hurley” “I buried a lot of people” ”Your didn’t know that because it happened to me” “Stop saying you made me up it’s insulting”

She and Hurley kiss and he returns to camp with her.

Flashback
Different angle of Doc taking Polaroid at the Mental institution. It shows Hurley putting his arm around an imaginary person in a chair and when they pan around a nurse is giving another patient their meds.

The other mental patient is LIBBY.

As for our friend Henry Gale,

He’s tied up and makes up another story about being part of the search party for the real Henry and he was already dead with a broken neck in the basket when he found him.
Sayid had also found a letter from the real Henry written on the back of a bill to his wife Jennifer. “How could he write if he was dead?” Sayid about to kill him when Anna moves his arm and Sayid nearly misses Henry. Henry says the guy with the beard is nothing.

Later Locke wants to talk one on one with him and still wants to know his real name.

(not verbatim)

Henry - Just call me Henry I’ve gotten used to it.
Locke - God only knows how you got caught being one of them.
Henry - God doesn’t know anything about this place he can’t see this place.
Locke – Were you trying to find this place.
Henry – This? This is nothing when I crawled through the vents to the computer and it
was counting down the timer reached zero. Red symbols that look like hyroglyphics came up I don’t know I’m no expert but then there was a noise like a magnet and generators, it was scary end then all of a sudden the numbers flipped back to 108. I never typed in the numbers. I didn’t do anything.
Locke – Your lying.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Damn this shit was boring. I think I'm going to go take a nap. I could have just watched A Beautiful Mind/Fight Club/Identity.

The only significant development was what Henry said, yet a lot of people had already got the feeling that this was true anyway. The writers dismissed the "skinner box" theory that says the hatch is a big psychological experiment, so my logical guess is that not putting in the numbers does something but the consequences are not (yet) apparent.

Honestly I don't like this kind of anti-climactic development. It's sort of like the monster being ruthless killing machine and then being a big question mark, the tension is alleviated even if you are left with questions. If the hatch is and has been pointless this entire season, I feel pretty much duped, and not even in a good way.

So perhaps Mr. Friendly aka Zeke isn't even the boss of what's going on. Henry made it seem like there was a massive hierarchy of evil.

Oh and Libby was in the crazy house. Mediocre twist at best.

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I thought that being toward the end of the season would mean no filler at all, but I was totally wrong.

I guess what got me about Dave is that I wasn't buying it. After Henry, they're going to have to step up their game because it's going to be way harder to dupe audiences now that we know to what extent it can go. Dave had me going for a while he mentioned the numbers, but then I quickly slapped myself and said NOPE don't fall for it. Also he ruins his own premise with the idea that the whole show is Hurley's dream. Were the writers even trying to fool us or what.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I don't see why they would want to do that.

If I wrote a show carried hugely by it's mystery, the last thing I'd want to do is kill off theories. I'd be like, let the dumbasses theorize as much as they want! The more bogus theories, the longer the show will be able to last.

I wonder at what point in the shoe will there be enough clues for people to accurately solve the mystery. Right now there are too few. But during season four or five, will people figure it out?

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True, but I don't think they could do that for too many episodes (and actually have viewers) unless those eps are really good.

I was speaking idiomatically.

I almost wanted to read Occurence at Owl Creek Bridge since it's supposed to be one of the "books" that enhance your understanding of Lost. Have you read it? The ending was spoiled for me a while ago and I was wondering if there's any mythos within the book that could make it worth reading.

The list of "books" goes on much longer. Supposedly Third Policeman is the one to read. Too bad there's a long queue for it at my local library (LOST fans or just interested people; other associated books remain on the shelves). If I had a few spare bucks I'd buy a copy.

Other books I'm trying to get a hold of include The Brothers Karamazov, Watership Down, Heart of Darkness, and Turn of the Screw. Also some book about a bridge of which I forgot the title. I'm especially interested in The Brothers Karamazov because supposedly many great minds (Einstein for ex) said it's an excellent book.

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I liked Identity. People judge it with "this occurence is not real, so why should I care?" I find this to be dumb. The movie is not real, yet under normal circumstances we can still associate with totally fictional characters. But it dare not be a movie within a movie or it's suddenly invalid? I still don't get why people feel duped by this unless it's some kind of cop-out. In Identity, it wasn't a copout it was more of an unexpected twist. Furthermore I had an easier time dealing with it because these characters were the creation of the insane guy (forget his name; unimportant) and his imagination, so in a sense it was almost like watching several different aspects of himself in action.

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I didn't say that I wanted to see it happen on LOST, mostly because it's cliche, at least in such a simple form.

What's real and what isn't is in your head, everything in life is perception - even if you don't share it with other people, reality is what you make of it.

When I found out that the characters in Identity were just figments of another character's imagination, I wasn't upset with it because I quickly realized that even though my view of them changed slightly, they were just as real as they ever were. In fact I was almost extra-afraid for them, fearing that they were in extra danger of being destroyed within someone's mind. I think the writers of Identity had the same thing in mind and were toying with this kind of philosophical concept that not everyone could tolerate. I believe this because they could have just as easily removed the insane dude from the script entirely. They did not choose to do this.

I can understand if people don't like Identity for the reasons you stated. I enjoyed it, however.

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Jack is a bonehead.

"Lets form an army."
"Let's go out into the jungle and shout."

I like how there still isn't even an army; nothing even CLOSE to it. If they intended to save it for the last few episodes of the season fine. If that's the case then they shouldn't have brought it up way earlier in the season only for all the characters to get sidetracked and completely ignore it. It's not even like they don't have time for it, it's almost like they're too lazy. Also, who's even in the army besides Jack and Ana.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Season 2 is =(. It kind of picked up with this whole Henry Gale plot and I was beginning to forgive it, but this past episode made me get pretty angry at it again.

If Season 3 is going to be like this, I can easily imagine ratings dropping pretty drastically. Right now I imagine lots of people sticking it out because the stakes are getting higher and we're toward the climax of the season.

(I heard the ratings already dropped quite a bit.)

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