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Reasonable compromise ou blind submission?
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Old Dec 13, 2006, 05:07 PM #1 of 21
So honestly, what the fuck is the Rabbi's problem? Just because they have a Christmas (holiday) tree up, doesn't immediately mean that they have to represent every other religion. Jews are a minority in the US - what is so wrong with the majority celebrating Christmas, they don't force Jewish stores to put up Christmas trees - so why should we be forced to put up menorahs?

I work at an airport myself, and we don't have anything but Christmas decorations up, and I highly doubt that it's going to change. Why should the owners of Sea-Tac be forced to put up symbols they don't believe in?

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Old Dec 24, 2006, 11:09 PM #2 of 21
MERRYCHRISTMAS

If you're offended - then get the fuck out. It's a tradition once a year to celebrate Christmas, and I can not possible see how it can be offensive to anybody - Wishing Merry Christmas is wishing peace and good tidings... What is so offensive about that?

I am Canadian - and it is my right to be able to wish you a Merry Christmas, just as it is your right to tell me "Eid Mubarak" or happy passover, or whatever. It's a tradition - and if you don't like it, then tough shit - deal with it. If you find it offensive, then move somewhere else where your intolerance is acceptable.

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Old Dec 30, 2006, 03:19 PM #3 of 21
You know, as much as I hate whiny Jews, I hate Christians who say things like
Great job at missing the point.

The newstory indicated that what we're talking about is Christmas trees. Although I don't see anything wrong with that, it might have been a smart move to make the Christmas trees less, well, Christmas-y. An option I see often is having white and gold Christmas trees, which are beautiful and festive and indicative of the holiday season.

But if you're an airport, an international airport at that, you need to recognize that it is a bad idea to support one group's season. It's great to make this into a huge, "Merry Christmas shouldn't be banned!" debate, but this is more that an international airport shouldn't have a fucking Christmas display and ignore all other religions and idealogies. As that is clearly impossible, to grant something to everyone, they should make it a bit more open (Merry Christmas should be Happy Holidays, etc.)

And if you don't like that idea, having respect for others, then gtfo, plz.
SeaTac is owned by the ports authority. So the operators of the airport (probably Christian), decided that they wanted a Christmas display in an area THEY OWN. I'm not going to put up Hannukah decorations in my house, because I don't celebrate it: I'm not saying they're wrong, or people are wrong for celebrating it - I would just rather have a christmas tree and some lights. I don't tell YOU what to put up in your house.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.
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Old Dec 31, 2006, 06:38 AM #4 of 21
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Muslims don't just go around saying Eid Mubarak to non-Muslims.
My Muslim friends wish me a happy Eid... I don't find it offensive, or unmoral because I'm not a Muslim - I appreciate that they're willing to include me in their celebrations.

I'm sorry if wishing peace and good tidings is going to be offensive to people, it's not like I'm going around saying "Merry Christmas everybody, your religious celebrations are all wrong, so convert or die motherfuckers." I celebrate Christmas, not Hanukkah, or Kwanzaa (or even Festivus). Others aren't wrong to celebrate them, I'm just not one of them. What I'm annoyed at is when people like the Rabbi in Seattle threaten to SUE because they're not represented in a holiday display on someone else's property. People have been frightened into being PC and ceasing to include others in the spirit of the season, because they're afraid that they're going to offend someone and get sued for trying to spread good will. Now that's a shame.

How is it that in Bangkok, a city of 10+ million people, I couldn't go 50' without seeing signs wishing me Merry Christmas (including 500' billboards beside the tollways), or Christmas Trees, or decorations? Christians defiantly aren't in a majority there - and no one seems to mind about those decorations. So why is it such a big deal over here, offending people and such?

I'm not saying to go around and force Christmas on people that don't do the christmas thing, my point is that they should be able to accept that in our country, I might wish you a merry Christmas with all the best intentions- just don't bite my head off because of it.

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Old Dec 31, 2006, 03:37 PM #5 of 21
How is it not a PC argument? People have been terrified into saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas... I don't have a problem with saying Happy Holidays either - hell, the cards I sent out this xmas were "happy holiday" cards, no big deal. I just don't like to see people scared into doing something that never used to be a problem.

Like I mentioned before - in Thailand, where the majority of the population is a split between Buddism and Islam, I saw more christmas (yes, christmas: greens and reds and huge (fucking GINORMOUS) "Merry Christmas" billboards) - I don't think anybody there is getting offended, so why is it so taboo over here?

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Old Dec 31, 2006, 04:11 PM #6 of 21
I still don't see a problem with the displays in airports - It's not like they're hanging ornaments that say "Christmas is the only proper holiday" or shit like that - they're just spreading peace and good will, how can you knock somone for that?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?
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