Overrated Movies (or "Why Does Everyone Like Tyler Durden?")

Originally Posted by SketchTheArtist

Quentin Tarantino as whole is HIGHLY overrated.

He's done only 4 movies and they are the farthest thing from original.

1- Reservoir Dogs = Main storyline copied from Ringo Lam's CITY ON FIRE
2- Pulp Fiction = 80% written by Roger Avary
3- Jackie Brown = Based on a book
4- Kill Bill = Bits and pieces from his 'favorite' Asian and Western Spaghetti movies

Don't get me wrong, they are still enjoyable movies, but stop treating him like he's some sort of genius. Plus the fact that he whore his name on every movie posters doesn't help.

Sorry, but you're saying there's something wrong with a movie because IT IS BASED ON A BOOK? That pretty much includes half of all films, ever. Originality does not exist, get your head out of your ass.

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Originally Posted by SketchTheArtist

My head seems just fine on my shoulders. What you missed to understand is that I never said they were 'bad' or 'wrong', I said people tend to forget those points and elevate him as a sort of genius who who wrote and 'imagined' every pieces in his four movies. Hence, he is overrated.

Not questionning if your head is at the right place, but rather, do you have one?

And what you don't understand is that the vast majority of films are based on something else. So, he didn't think of the original story, or he didn't write the damn thing. So what. He still interpretted it for the screen, and did a hell of a job. Everyone knows he borrows things from other films. It's called influence. You can justify any films unoriginality if you try hard enough.

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Originally Posted by SketchTheArtist

Rent CITY ON FIRE; exact copy of Reservoir Dogs but it was made in the '80s and Tarantino never acknowledged that it was based on it.

Pulp Fiction, Avary never got mentions from any 'Pulp' fan that he wrote the piece.

You're gonna deny that?

Yes, I am going to deny that. Roger Avary also started off directing and writing another great movie, Killing Zoe. I always give Avary the recognition he deserves for his writing.

And for City On Fire, sure, it has the same plot, but does that in any way detract form Reservoir Dogs being a great film? No, it doesn't. Enjoy both of them. Tarantino knew this was a great movie, and also knew that not a whole lot of the North American audience would have heard of it. So, he copies it, causing you some distress. In the meantime, he made one hell of a film, and through his love of Asian cinema, has exposed western moviegoers to techniques and plot devices they may not be comfortable with. If anything, he has greatly increased the chance of people going to see City On Fire, which isn't a bad thing at all.

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I agree, the script is bad, and the style is awful, but what it does have going for it is Willem Dafoe, who gives an absolutely great performance.

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Originally Posted by SketchTheArtist

Influence and copy are two diferent things.

That's super! Yet, completely lacking in any relevance.

Tarantino "copies" some things and is "influenced" by others. No one is saying otherwise.

Aardark nailed the point I wasn't eloquent enough to get across with:

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My point is that, whether or not Tarantino acknowledges and documents all his influences, he is definitely not known for basing any of his films on his own imagination only. He is not famous for creating every piece of his movies from scratch; he's famous for the way he takes different pieces and puts them together. Thus, saying that 'people elevate him as a sort of genius who who writes every piece in his four movies' is just absurd, in my opinion.

His films are not about being original, they're about enjoying the movie, subtle and not-so-subtle references included.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Yes, but The Ninth Gate isn't overrated because nobody liked it.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by kinkymagic

Tarintino is unbelievanly over-rated.

This from someone with a Withnail & I avatar. Now that's a movie a don't see the appeal in.

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