South Dakota bans most abortions

Originally Posted by Enter User Name

Just another case of the Religious Right screwing up what the country was founded on. At this rate, soon this country will be more restrictive than the middle east.

Interestingly enough, the United States wasn't founded on abortions. Abortions were highly frowned upon in the late 1700's. Know your own countries history, for god's sake.


The government should not have a say on abortions until the day it is comprised entirely of females.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Zio

Stop bashing religeon. Thier beliefs are just as valid as yours.

Second, this country is a democracy, thus being if you don't like it then lobby for it and fix it. Everyone has a say if they actually TRY to have a say.

They aren't forcing thier beliefs on anyone by expressing them and saying hey, we think aboration is bad and we want to prove it and have a vote on it.

You call that forcing? If thier forcing thier beliefs on you, then you are techincally forcing your morals and beliefs by saying FUCK YOU, I'm right, your wrong and your a fucktard.

That is how I see your arguement EUN.

I second.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Joe Wiewel

I follow what you're saying here, and in the context of free speech and debate, that makes sense. However, when it comes to the current situation, it doesn't work like that.

See, right now in every other state in the US, Canada and probably most of Europe, people who believe in pro-life have the choice not to get an abortion. And those that need an abortion also have have the choice to get an abortion. Everyone has a choice and almost everybody's happy, except the pro-lifers that complain about the people that get abortions.

But in South Dakota, there is no longer the freedom of choice to have an abortion. The pro-lifers, the people who wouldn't have gotten an abortion in the first place, are happy because they've made it so everybody else in the state can't get an abortion. The people that need an abortion, such as victims of rape, incest and poverty, are screwed unless they can get an abortion in a surrounding state.

I think the issue we're arguing over here is more democracy than abortion. I mean, if democracy is working, then the majority of people in whatever state are against abortion. Now, to make a generalization, most pro-lifers equate abortion with murder. So, from the perspective of the religious right, South Dakota just made murder illegal. Harder to argue against that.
I think the point Zio was trying to make (and please correct me if I'm wrong), is that all government, no matter what side or spin, authoritarian or anarchist, is, when it comes down to it, forcing your view on other people. That's what law is. And with anarchy, forcing absence of law is equally distressing for some. The point is, all sides of this argument are equally valid.

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Originally Posted by Watts

And most pro-lifers are for the death penalty. So, like how can you be pro-life if you're for the death penalty?!

I agree. Just playing devil's advocate.

Originally Posted by Watts

Yeah I guess. It's still state sanctioned murder. Let's teach all those convicts that killing is wrong by killing them!

But somebody's gotta finish the war in Iraq.

Send the convicts to Iraq. In two hundred years, it'll be just like Australia.

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