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Old Jun 15, 2006, 09:56 AM Local time: Jun 15, 2006, 08:56 AM #1 of 232
Ouch... I'm surprised you can fill your main drive that full. Good luck.

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Old Jun 20, 2006, 08:37 PM Local time: Jun 20, 2006, 07:37 PM #2 of 232
Originally Posted by BZ
Too bad he is right about the Smallville comment. Truth. One cannot deny it after seeing what they have done in five seasons. Pure brilliance on their tight scripts in terms of the actors playing their characters to a T and story.

I like how people randomly say that smallville pisses on the mythos all the time like they think they know what they are talking about. But whatever.
I have to agree with you there.

I've been following Superman from silver age comics, and the "superboy" comics in those days never made any sense. Smallville is really an accurate portrayal of Clark growing up in 2000. The work they did with the meteor strike being the cause of Lex's hair loss, his on-off relationship with Lana, the tragedy in the Luthor family that drives Lex to madness... All these things make more sense than the comics ever did.

For instance, it was always "known" that the reason Lex had no hair was because of Superman. But how did that happen? I remember hearing a rumor of a high school lab experiment which sounds ridiculous. Never was a good explanation for this "idea" given until Smallville. Also, gaining powers slowly and having confusion about them also makes more sense then the comic "baby boy flying".

Smallville does do away with the whole "Superboy in Smallville gains experience to go Metropolis" and focuses on Clark learning to build character which is what Superman needs in Metropolis. Makes much more sense. It also has some other oddities like Lois Lane showing up, and Jor-El on Earth, but these are pretty minor points to be whining about.

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Old Jun 20, 2006, 09:20 PM Local time: Jun 20, 2006, 08:20 PM #3 of 232
Originally Posted by Interrobang
Why are you talking about things you obviously have no interest in or knowledge of, Dayvon?

http://superman.ws/tales2/howluthormetsuperboy/?page=6
This was the story before 1986. In 1986, a writer changed it so Lex lost his hair in adulthood as a result of natural baldness. "lol metor shower" is not a better explanation.

Superman is a fucking alien with unknown biology. How does one make more sense than the other? Christ, you're dumb.

And it was already done in 1986.

Jor-El and the Kryptonian shit has been the nexus of the plot for seasons. It's not a minor point.
Wow... You've got some Superman = serious business going on. Calm down and let me have an opinion.

Yes, I do think that that comic you reference is a VERY lame way for the Superman/Lex feud to begin. Very lame. It makes Lex as just a ungrateful prick. Smallville makes it indirectly Supes' fault which seems like a less of a stretch and more of a blanket guilty by association. That seems more like the Lex concept than the former, and less boring than natural baldness.

I do think slowly gaining powers makes more sense. If you aren't taught, how do you know how or that you can do something? It should be a clumsy learning process, not a unconcious doing. Secondly, it also fits with the ideas of Superman "charging" under the yellow sun. The longer he is exposed the more power he has. Check Supes' return from space in (EDIT) Superman #32, as well as death of superman series.

I didn't say it was minor "in the story", but a minor thing to gripe about. And when has any offshoot ever been 100% faithful? And secondly, I'm currently watching through the Smallville series for the first time and am only at the end of the third season... Take a chill pill.

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Old Jun 20, 2006, 09:34 PM Local time: Jun 20, 2006, 08:34 PM #4 of 232
Originally Posted by Megalith
I've watched a few of the clips, and it seems to be completely devoid of the epicness that should come with the Superman character.
Well, you always have been a bit cynical.... I'm sure they are holding back a bit. The Xmen3 trailer wasn't epic enough?

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Old Jun 20, 2006, 10:08 PM Local time: Jun 20, 2006, 09:08 PM #5 of 232
@ Interrobang

Obviously, you are quite upset about not only Smallville, but at some of the ways DC has changed Superman over the years. I was born in '82, and I really don't care a heck of a whole lot about THE ENTIRE Superman story dating back to the 30's. It's an idea, a myth, that grows and changes with time, which is why I stated that I think Smallville is a outstanding show that follows the Superman "myth" and fits well in 2000's.

If you can't deal with different ideas of the Superman story, then stop caring, and read what you want over and over.

And I'm talking 'cause I (like most people) have liked Superman over the years, bought his comics, and generally kept up on the comics as they have progressed over the years. I havent had access or information on many of the comics you want to reference, because I havent read them, don't own them, and haven't studied Superman. I ENJOY the story of Superman, told, re-told, tweaked and re-told. You should learn to do the same. And stop sounding so bloody emo.

I was speaking idiomatically.
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Old Jun 20, 2006, 10:31 PM Local time: Jun 20, 2006, 09:31 PM #6 of 232
Originally Posted by Interrobang
That not even my fucking point, Dayvon. I don't give a shit about how Smallville or Post-Crisis on Infinite Earths is different than Pre-Crisis Superman.

No, you're just an idiot with worthless opinions. It'd be better if you just said that you were some douche that liked Smallville. That would have been barely noticeable on my radar. However, you felt the need to go further and prove that Smallville was somehow superior than the comics and you failed at it by not knowing what the fuck you were talking about.
I didn't say Smallville was superior to the comics. You assumed that.

Secondly, I haven't even finished watching the whole series, and no I am not "some douche that liked Smallville" and comes in here saying he knows stuff about Superman. You assumed that. I started to watch the series a few weeks ago. I have liked and collected 80's-now superman comics for years.

I think that Smallville is great. I think that the comics are great. I don't think one is better than the other. I think that some things in Smallville are better ideas then in the comics, but I also think that some things in Smallville are worse than the comics... But why does it have to be a big deal? I ENJOY and like both. Do you?

You've been doing alot of assuming and flexing of your e-penis knowledge of Superman, all the while being demeaning, condescending, and an outright ass-wipe. Why don't you just let other people enjoy entertainment, and you can keep you self-righteous prick behavior to yourself.

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Old Jun 20, 2006, 10:56 PM Local time: Jun 20, 2006, 09:56 PM #7 of 232
Originally Posted by Interrobang
Irrelevant.

It's not about enjoying things, you dense dolt. It's about you saying stupid stuff to justify your conclusions about how Smallville is better* than the comics. You are acting as if you are knowledgeable when you aren't.

*No, I don't give a shit about your semantics.
Who do you think you are, some police to point out someone's lack of extensive knowledge about a fictional character's many iterations? I didn't say stupid stuff; I said what I like, why I like it, and referenced the things in comparison. That is a well-thought out opinion... The problem is you just don't agree with it, and you can't get over that or leave it alone.

Child.

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Old Jun 20, 2006, 11:17 PM Local time: Jun 20, 2006, 10:17 PM #8 of 232
I already conceded you "know more" about Superman's extensive history. But that is not the point anymore. That may be what you are trying to prove, but why? Just to boost your ego?

Superman is a story I have enjoyed and liked for many years. I casually make some comments about what I like in Smallville better than somethings in the comics and you procede to bash me and jump all over me. What gives?

I'm not pretending to be the uber-know-it-all on Superman. I don't care to be either. You can have that, but try being a little more considerate next time. AND WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION INSTEAD OF A PISSING MATCH.


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Actually you don't have that story quite right Dayvon.

http://superman.ws/tales2/howluthormetsuperboy/?page=6
This was the story before 1986. In 1986, a writer changed it so Lex lost his hair in adulthood as a result of natural baldness. I don't think that the "metoer shower" is a better explanation. (HERE YOU WOULD SAY WHY IT IS NOT BETTER)

Superman is a alien with unknown biology. One doesn't necessarily make more sense than the other. Either slow progression or immediate power use would be a possibility.

And it was already done in 1986.

Jor-El and the Kryptonian story-plot has been the nexus of the plot for seasons. It's not a minor point. But a major point of the series that really doesn't follow the Superman history (EXAMPLES HERE)
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Why are you talking about things you obviously have no interest in or knowledge of, Dayvon?

http://superman.ws/tales2/howluthormetsuperboy/?page=6
This was the story before 1986. In 1986, a writer changed it so Lex lost his hair in adulthood as a result of natural baldness. "lol metor shower" is not a better explanation.

Superman is a fucking alien with unknown biology. How does one make more sense than the other? Christ, you're dumb.

And it was already done in 1986.

Jor-El and the Kryptonian shit has been the nexus of the plot for seasons. It's not a minor point.
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Old Jun 21, 2006, 12:15 PM Local time: Jun 21, 2006, 11:15 AM #9 of 232
Originally Posted by BZ
Lord, I thought his general history as a child was pretty much untold, which is why Smallville made a show about it to begin with. I guess I am wrong though.
There are classic Superboy comics that are very different from Smallville. Most of these comics are however, about 25+ years old. So unless you collect or read/find old comics, you wouldn't know anyway.

Since the Superman story reinvention in the 80's, there hasn't been THAT much written about Superman in the pre-Metropolis time. That is why Smallville seems to fill Superman comic history (but really doesn't because the comic and show DONT correlate accurately).

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Old Jun 24, 2006, 02:37 PM Local time: Jun 24, 2006, 01:37 PM #10 of 232
Originally Posted by Foshi
I can't wait for Wednesday.
First US showings are Tuesday 6-27 @ 10pm nationwide.

*already there*

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Old Jun 27, 2006, 12:19 AM Local time: Jun 26, 2006, 11:19 PM #11 of 232
Me and a friend are going tomorrow @ 10pm. Hopefully the theatre we are going to won't be too full. It is the best theatre I know for good sound and awesome picture.

Any word on the trailers before the show?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.
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Old Jun 29, 2006, 09:24 AM Local time: Jun 29, 2006, 08:24 AM #12 of 232
I mostly agree with Sprouticus. The movie was good and even great at some points. The one thing that disappoints me some is that it is a great movie for a fan of Superman...

But for people that aren't a fan, it seems to me that it is just okay. I was hoping this movie would be incredible for fans and non-fans, and I don't think that is quite the case with Returns.

That said, I enjoyed the movie alot. I feel like the performances were good. I liked Routh. Bosworth wasn't bad, I like her on screen more than Kidder. The screenplay was good, but could have used more grit, more intense/memorable moments of dialog. For instance, you can tell by the acting what Lois and Supes are thinking, but for the most part they never vocalize it and that really hinders the character realization.

The Panavision camera was great. I didn't notice a lower quality of picture than film, it might even be a bit better. If anything, I feel like the digital shots combined with the CG better than any other movie. The green screen shots were some of the best green screen shots I've ever seen.

Overall, go check out the movie. And BTW, I think the stuff in this thread about "the kid" should be in spoiler tags. I had no idea of this and that added alot to the movie for a pay off at the end.

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