[General Discussion] Games you consider "Perfect"?

I have to concur with many of these choices.

LoZ: LttP I would agree has to be the best Zelda yet. OoT comes infinitely close to besting it, but music and gameplay have to lean to the SNES game. My friend is playing through it for the first time right now, and it's beauty is in the discoveries. I remember almost everything about the game, because each thing that I discovered when I played through was worthwhile and made a huge impact on me. It made exploration amazing again, much like the first game in the series.

Resident Evil 4: I've never played through a game in one sitting until this one. What more can be said about it? It is the ultimate over-the-shoulder game, and I think Gears Of War took more than one idea from it. Third-person with accurate aiming... does it get any better? Not to mention the great voice acting, storyline, atmosphere, bosses, the challenge. This is a game I will continue to play often in the years to come.

FFIV: Best RPG I've played because it was simple, had a great story, great characters, a kicking soundtrack, and uniqueness. I love how the individualness of the characters isn't screwed around with. It seems every FF game now you can customize the characters, and essentially every character can do everything. Not so in this game. And this is better because it makes the characters DEFINED and not abstract bodies. This and so many moments of greatness bring this to the top of my list everytime.

Super Metroid: You can't have a list without it. I mean, you can play this game 20 million times and still enjoy it. I believe every game on this list succeeds because it has challenges that payoff. This game bleeds this characteristic. I mean combining beams! Space jump!! Screw attack!!! Hyper-beam!!!! This game kicks so much ass, has so much atmosphere, and the music. Perfect game.

There are other mentions here that are great: FFVI, Chrono Trigger, Gran Turismo, Soul Caliber. The last 2 especially. You know a game is great when you beg someone to trade consoles with you for a couple weeks !

The one I feel that needs to be added to the list however...



Say what you will, but this game is perfect. Some may bitch about the controls, but that's only because they were expecting something different and don't want to learn new control. Other than that complaint, there are no other possible complaints. The controls are tight, the story excellent and engaging, the rewards well worth the challenges, the bosses amazing, the graphics stellar, the sound and music so freaking memorable. I still can't get over the ambiance of this game. Only with the other titles mentioned above have I been that engrossed in a universe. From the morph ball to the targeting system, to the visors, to the beams. Such a perfect game. Played through at least twice, and I honestly want to go through it again soon.

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I'm glad this thread didn't get derailed... It has alot going for it.

@Megavolt

I too am one that has trouble with the world of ruin part of FF6. I'm not particularly sure what it is that I don't like, but I think it has to do with the non-linear nature of it. Ya know, the whole "go find the characters who are now consumed in there own little world, and convince them to fight." At the point before the ruined world, it seemed like the characters were beyond that for the most part. And the fact that you don't even need to get alot of the "main" characters seems odd to me. This is also the point in the game where the espers giving magic abilities makes the game start to unravel a bit for me. Everyone becomes a great spell caster because of leveling up.

I dunno, I mean I love the game and have a FFIII SNES save with most (if not every) character at lvl 99, and I've played the game to death. But at the same time, the overall fulfilling feeling i got at the end was/is not very strong. And the lack of that fulfilling feeling, keeps me from wanting to play the game again.

That being said, I can totally understand why one would have it on their perfect list. It is quite the game. And if I liked the World of Ruin part, then this game would be probably be at the top for me as well.

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@BurningRanger

Did you even read the OP? This thread is talking about perfect to yourself. To me FFIV is perfect. To you, I'm sure that it's not perfect. But let me try to explain why the "flaws" that you point out, are nulled in my opinion.

1) Worst script ever? Hardly. It does have translational errors when compared to the Japanese version, but not necessarily when compared to itself. The aforementioned "legend" in Borg's sig sounds cryptic, but hardly erroneous. Light = cecil, dark = golbez (who both go to fight Zeromus). Other translational errors such as "spoony bard" and such honestly come out as more goofy, which doesn't necessarily mean wrong.

2) Woooo. A glitch. Ouch. Obviously now the game isn't perfect. Accept if you don't use the glitch it is never a problem. And what other glitches are there? As for the ATB, there is nothing wrong with it. The system works not like previous Final Fantasy's, in that every characters & enemies turn-rate is different and thus providing a different experience than before. The "error" you reference is really not valid considering that it references advances that weren't out at the time.

The lack of customization lets the game/story define the characters as opposed to the player. Now this could be debated forever, but to me the story becomes more defined with character specifics being so defined. For example, Rydia as a summoner, Edge as a ninja etc. If I could customize them, then you lose alot. Then Rydia could be a swordmaster... WTF would that be?

3) Graphics: Obviously they were at least on par to other games at time of release (which is fairly close to SNES release). And honestly, it looks great with it's styling and art. Saying its graphics suck, is like saying a Dragon Warrior NES game is imperfect because it looks like shit.

4) Characters coming back, LOL. Seriously, Palom and Porom were stoned which is easily cureable by a mage, like the one from there home town. Cid you don't see die, just that he jumps. And same with Yang going in the room. These two character's deaths are assumed not witnessed. And you totally are grasping for straws with this one. Why would this really matter anyway? Do you want protaginist chacters to truly die?

Single plot device? Hell what hasn't ever not been told before? Every story is a rehash or borrow from another story these days. The crystal's story and the idea of going to the moon is something that seemed pretty freaking new and sweet to the FF series. The idea of a Lunar race, the summoned monsters kingdom. The game goes from looking at petty war among nations to earth shattering destruction by a locked away renegade from a long lost Lunar race and it gets there without feeling like a stretch. The whole Cecil being man&lunar blindsides you in a good way, not an unbelievable way.

It seems obvious to me that you WANT to not like the game. I don't expect your perspective to change, but don't come in here trashing others opinions on a game just to show you're "smarter" for not liking it. Your purely objective look at the game is entirely cynical, which again, is not the point of this thread.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by BurningRanger

I don't hate FFIV. But it's sloppily made, and far from perfect. If you want to talk about subjective preferences of game qualities then this isn't much more than a "hay guyz whats your favorite game" thread.

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Originally Posted by SOLDIER

Are there any games that you can honestly say are flawless in your eyes, games that you feel don't need any extra additions or improvements whatsoever, for any alteration would only add some uneccesary coating to a spotless foundation?

FFIV, as FFII US or otherwise, needs no alterations to improve it. It is flawless in my eyes, as everything you point out against the game is something that I like about it. Besides, this isn't a thread for logic arguments, this is a thread for celebrating and bragging up the games that you love, and trying to explain why to help others get as much enjoyment out of the game as you do. Is there something wrong with that?

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Originally Posted by GoldfishX

Just to be clear: I'm not picking one side over another, I just think "perfect" is much more abstract and personal than finding a handful of things to dwell over that aren't as good as they could be. This thread becomes silly then, since nearly every pick here, I could find various reasons why certain games aren't "perfect", but really don't care to (no, not even the person who said Chrono Cross).

QFT.

Let's let this FFIV discussion die because it's going nowhere, it's not productive, and it is counter-productive to the point of this thread, which incidentally is NOT a "favorites" thread. The point is games that you see as without flaw. It is opinionated, and everyone from Burning Ranger to Borg has to live with that. BR thinks FFIV shouldn't be listed, Borg (and I) think it does. End of discussion, because none is needed.

I was speaking idiomatically.