Impeaching Bush

Originally Posted by Meth

I was talking to a buddy lastnight who fought in Bagdad. He said that things are a mess, but that the US troops have their hands tied over there as far as what they're allowed to do. He said there are times when they can literally watch an insurgent place an IED, but "legally" they aren't allowed to stop him. Insurgents can basically claim sanctuary and run into Mosques where the US troops aren't allowed. He said that he thinks that Iraq really could grow and prosper eventually, but they won't get anywhere as long as they remain powerless to actually deal with the insurgency

Can't they 'walk' in and make sure it is an actual sanuctary? I could have swore in WWII sooner or later we began to occupy hostipels and other things so they were USED for those things, not a hiding spot for weapons, insurgents aka neutral grounds for all and all hostilities to be ceased.

I know one should keep your morales high so you do not succumb to the beast and destory everything but we should be able to make sure thier 'mosques(sp?)' and other things are used for what they are intended for? And if any hostilies that come about, as in, rules of engagement, then to cease it.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by JackyBoy

I'm not going to read the entire Constitution to make my point stick. My argument is that as a Canadian I can only criticize American policies, like you can ours.

Yes, but if I'm going to criticize or attack your country and your laws. I'm going to do research to make my point as valid as I could.

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But Americans have the power to change your laws.

Yes, we do but the Senate or even Supreme Court can go lol, u r stupid, no way.

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The only shred of evidence Bush has ever provided as I see, with the events I mentioned, is his incompetence and inability to act.

What are you talking about? He did act, maybe not as strong or as best as some people wanted but he did ACT. And his incompetence comes from his intelligence. Someone told him that there was WMDs and that he was violating(Wasn't he?) UN sanctions and was told to stop. He didn't so Bush felt it right to invade? Or atleast that is what I got from it.

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Do you truly believe in your heart of heart that the failures of 9/11 are acceptable? Do you truly believe nothing could have been done to help prevent the Katrina disaster?

What failure of 9/11? You can't really expect to do much when people randomly hijack planes and then crash em.

And what are you going to do? Tell people and use brute force to tell people, ROFL HEY THERE IS A LOLICANE(Hurricane), COMING 4 JOO. YOU BETTER MOVE OUT BEFORE YOU GET SMITED UPON THE GROUND!

You can't just go about and force people from thier homes. That would be the only -way- to prevent such troubles that happened. The Gov't did acted on the situation, might not be as best as some would have expected but they did act as Lord Styphon said.

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Do you truly believe Bush did everything possible to provide the necessary relief as quickly as possible in the aftermath?

Yes, but you have to talk to the governers of those states affected by the aftermath. They used the funds + forces that were sent there to help too.
Oh and anther thing, you can't just 'relocate' resources at will without harming others as well.

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I don't believe these things and I don't see much evidence to sway me otherwise. In my dissatisfaction I was merely posing a question for which the answer has now evidently been established. Which is more criminal? Clinton lying about that handjob from his personal secretary or Bush proving his unfitness to run the damn country. [/rhetorical]

What unfitness? He went by what the CIA told him and he acted. Maybe the CIA lied? Or maybe there was WMDs.... Somewhere if there was ever any. The CIA provided poor information. It's kinda like your spies that you sent tell you that the army has only 10,000 troops and you have 100,000. Your oging to win but once you hit the battlefield, they have 500,000. That isn't JUST YOUR FAULT. That's the SPIES AND YOUR fault.

Oh, and by the way, what is more criminal? Perjury or someone acting on what the CIA tell you? To some people, perjurt is a serious offense and that is why he was. Bush hasn't committed any 'high' crimes.

Oh and anther thing, the Senate could easily stop the war in Iraq.(Even though there was no declariation of war. And only Senate can declare war.) The Senate coudl just say, hey you have no right to use those troops anymore and you must return them. Even though the president can use the troops for so long, he must return to them to get an extension.

To me, it isn't just Bush's fault, the whole Gov't is at fault.

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This does nothing to explain the "failures" which occurred on 9/11.

What failures?

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Arainach

Also, enough with the "But Clinton" card. Saying "A is bad but B is worse" never makes A an OK person. Not to mention that when Clinton came into office the GOP had been in power for 12 years so ever the conservative strategists acknowledged that he was merely trying to get some people he could work with.

Maybe Bush was getting people he could work with? Maybe those 6 people he removed or how many was cause they weren't working with him quite right?

Originally Posted by Denicalis

Actually, the issue was that Bush ignored the advice of the CIA and went on the advice of his own personally created information group. I think Rove was involved in its creation. Rove and Rumsfeld, because the CIA had been wrong about something during Bush Sr's time in office. Way to do that homework you talked about earlier.

Funny, all through all this thread they said the CIA said there was WMDs. So that is where I got the info, unless I misread somewhere. Oh and Denicalis, I want proof of what you said about the CIA, Rumsfeld and etc. Cause I could have swore that Bush said the CIA said they had weapons and was a greenlight to go in.

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The Senate could stop the war unless the president promised to veto any attempt to do just that. But I mean he wouldn't do tha- O, wait... he already did that? Right.

Again, I want proof cause I don't ever hear about the senate going against what Bush has done cause I do believe as Brady said earlier, it's better to just let it go and then be like, oops.

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And what failures? What about the failures of deliberately only stocking "loyal bushies" (thanks for the quote, Mr. Rove) into the supreme court and forcing out people who were qualified because they were moderate?

Maybe he wanted them in cause he could work with em.

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How about chasing out civil servants who didn't agree with him? Did Bush personally do it? Nope. But you want to tell me Karl Rove didn't tell him about it? What failures?

Proof?

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How about being the single most hated Commander in Chief since Nixon?

Mmm, let I've told people, I barly ever had a problem with Bush at all. Sure there was things I didn't like but majoritly, I liked him. Second of all, I think around here in Wisconsin or atleast people I talk with, didn't have a problem with him either. *shrugs* But then again the small population of who I know does not make up for majority, but from what I've seen though. Many do like him.

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How about making the entire outside world hate you?

Meh the world problay hated us even before all this happened. After all, we did help Israel and more then likely that made a lot of people in the middle east + some parts of Africa hate us. Thus being, why we were attacked. (Yes I know this has nothing to do with Iraq and yes, I still don't know why we are in Iraq.)

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The man takes bad advice from the good old boys rather than good advice from people qualified to give it.

Advice, is advice. May not be good but it is.

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Just ask all the 20 something uber-republican, pro-Bush, non-arab speaking kids Bush sent in to nation build rather than a qualified, more mature group.

Proof?

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Impeachment is stupid. It's just as stupid as when they impeached Clinton. It's his last term. Let him run it out and bury himself. But to say he hasn't done anything is fucking clown shoes.

Didn't they impeach him or let it finalize after he was out of office? Just so he wouldn't have the benefits of being a 'ex-president?'

But then again, what President hasn't done anything that bad. Last I checked the Kennedies(Sp?), had some rather fullfilling relationships in the past with women. But then again that means nothing right now.

How ya doing, buddy?

Jackyboy, what if the plan commincations are not working? Are you still going to shoot it down even though possibly it may not know it's off path and etc?

Second, imagine your in a classroom, your a kid. You see the big guy in black suit sya something to the president, and then he HAS to leave. You start to wonder or PANIC cause the President, the cheif commander HAD to leave.

It might not be reasonable but take it as this. I work with Residents in assisted living for the elderly. Take it as this.

Say you have one that has alzermier or Dementia or some other brain/memory problem. They CONSTANTLY are paranoid, say things out of place, things are stolen and etc, even if they move it or do something. They could be right but out of the 5,000 times they've said it, you just kinda shrug your shoulder at it. Yanno?

You can't just take any case and be like, OMG SOME OF THESE ARABS THEY ARE GOING TO ATTACK THE TWO TOWERS! BUILD SAM SITES, LETS MAKE SURE WE SEND THEM TO ALLAH IF THEY TRY TO CRASH THESE PLANES!

I bet we'd be in constant alert from how many people 'threaten' the white house or us.

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