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It's my expansion build.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

What's the NDA?

And if they remove decurse/ct_raid they are being a bitch.

FELIPE NO

Reroll out of gnome. Gnomes suck, no one likes em. Not even alliance themselves. NE warriors or even human are better IMO. And yes I know escape artist is good but meh by the time you cast out of it, your in anther OR the thing is gone.

And yeah you could force someone off the edge or accidently fall off the edge.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

The rogue gear needs to have a mask. >_<; Unless that guy disabled his helm on that shot on the one that I think dagget posted on youtube.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Or preorder via gamestop....


And meh I knew there was a mask but I LOVED IT. I want a mask that just covers the face and perhaps everything but the eyes, or even just the face like the ebon mask does. It makes me feel more rogueish.

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Oh yeah, I forgot gamestop bought out EB. I was told that awhile ago.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

How the fuck do you blacklist/stop someone else from getting BWL? O.o;

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

I see, hmmm well even then I can pop 600k+ in a week organized or just playing Guitar Hero or something on my PS2/Gamecube and all I do is hit the foward button while stealth once in awhile.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Good thing it'd be near impossible to hack my account/computer.

Second, Immp, how would they know you have too much honor eh? The honor tab has been screwing up for me since forever. It doesn't even wokr when you inspect them.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

I've been playing on PVE to pass the time, I got my hunter to level 40 within a week. ._.; And that was between raids and etc.

Trust me, PVP is the most fun thing, it might be somewhat annoying but it's fun though and it makes it more realistic.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by The_Griffin

Oh, joy. Well, so much for getting any changes done to Elemental (unless they do it between this patch and BC).

And to make things worse, according to reports from beta testers, shamans are more or less free HKs in the expansion. Doesn't surprise me much, either, since in terms of PVP both Elemental and Enhancement are more or less going into the expansion with the pre-expansion talent trees as far as usefulness is concerned.

*sigh* At least the fire elemental isn't UTTERLY terrible...

I know the problem from what you speak off but I think truely that you are over exggerating from the usefullness of them in PVP whatever spec they are. But that's jsut me...

And I like how hunters need two seconds to drop traps and etc. It's about damn time. And as well with thrown weapons being able to be repaired, now i don't have to keep farming for those blue hatchets you can get as thrown weapons. ^.^ Been farming them for BC.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

What are you talking about? Everyone's tree is almost the same. I think your just being pessmistic.

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Earth shield is going to get nerfed...

And I can call it that because sometimes people pull out theories and etc. You can test and do many things but in the long run it works.

That's like saying Mace rogues suck or non-undead rogues suck.

Or that going feral as a druid sucks or whatever.

I don't know, I just don't see many shammies in my guild ever complain save for the elemental spec is worthless in PVE that's all.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Xellos what do you mean for free, you mean the +hit skill? I thought warriors had something in like arms tree since you are 'arming' yourself. No pun intended.

And Earth shield is a joke, they are going to nerf it hopefully cause someone was posting on the forums about it and that with a shit load of +healing gear. Shammies were able to just sit there spam that ability, and take out like 65 elites.

And what stamina scailing?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by The_Griffin

It DOES only work once every few seconds. The only difference between Earth Shield and Lightning Shield is the number of charges and the effect.

Also, it's more of a support spell than anything. It's targetable, so you can cast it on the tank. Surprisingly, all you really need in a 5-man is a competent tank, Earth Shield, and the occasional Chain Heal to be a good healer.

I never thought I'd say this, but Earth Shield is seriously making me reconsider my stance on speccing Restoration.

Even then it's still not balanced at all especially since there so little ammount of classes who can dispell it.

It is a support spell, with no cooldown and I think it even has rank up where you can go up rank 3 and with a shitload of +healing. I could crit you for 2000 but yet if unlucky you heal for 2000+? That's bullshit.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by The_Griffin

A few things:

The effect doesn't discriminate based on how much damage you do. Save that 5-point CB + Eviscerate for AFTER the healing effect goes off.

Also, you're really exaggerating there. Beta reports that the MAX it heals for is 500-ish with decked-out healing gear. =\

Priests, Shamans, Warlocks with a Felhunter out (and what warlock not using FD to summon a Succubus to fight off a melee class DOESN'T have a felpup out?), and Warriors with Shield Slam (lol) can dispel it. Mages can steal the buff off you, as well (and immediately get it purged, so it basically counts as a dispel). So... basically around half the classes in the game have the potential to dispel it. Hunters can also silence you once Earth Shield runs out, preventing you from recasting it (but that requires that they don't spec The Beast Within... which even after the nerf to it is utterly stupid). So, that leaves Rogues, Pallies, and Druids with no method of at least COUNTERING Earth Shield.

Also keep in mind that if you get Earth Shield, you more or less sacrifice most of your damage-dealing capacity. No Elemental Mastery. No improved Windfury. No Lightning Mastery. No Stormstrike. No dual-wielding. No Elemental Fury.

Considering the sacrifices in damage you'd take to get Earth Shield, I'd say that the survivability it gives should damn well better be good.

I actually wouldn't mind much of a PVP nerf to Earth Shield if it weren't for the fact that Earth Shield is the ONLY good PVP spec we have in TBC, literally. Elemental can't frontload enough burst damage to overcome the new stamina scaling - in fact, we hit as hard in live as we do in Beta, and we use the same spells, the same playstyle. Nothing at all has changed for Elemental. Enhancement lacks the utility and anti-CC measures in order to get close enough to do any damage. They're basically Warriors with a choice between either an AOE hamstring that can be dispelled with a wand, or a ranged hamstring that falls under diminishing returns, and no charge/intercept.

Oh really? I was hearing it healed for more then 500.

Second the only nerf I was thinking was 2 min cooldown. Yanno? Maybe even one minute. Yanno? Just something so you just don't spam it.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by The_Griffin

It theoretically COULD. In the same way that Soul Fire can theoretically do 20K damage. You'd need a shitload more +damage (or +healing) gear than is available in the game to have it do that much.

It used to do that much with negative resistance. Now it's impossible. I was being told it could due to say having +1000 to heal. I think someone in the test realm had all the epic enchants and the highest tier set and I think they had around that for the closed beta. It was doing more then 500.

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A 2 minute cooldown on a support spell designed mostly for tank mitigation, with the added bonus of interruption prevention for self-buffing and caster-buffing. You're thinking just PVP. A 2-minute cooldown would wreck the ability in raids, and it would make the 21-point alternatives (Elemental Fury, especially) more attractive than the 41-point talent.

The only thing I would say is /cry really. Even if it did ruin it for raids, well too bad I suppose.

The only reason they did do that ot prevent buffing to everyone was cause you could buff the whole raid, and hey you wouldn't have to heal the rogues anymore. It's still bullshit both PVE and PVP. A one to two minute cooldown would be fair enough cause a lot can change within that minute or two. Hell you know what? You might not even expand all the charges within a min or two in cooldown, hell there will be MORE then one shammy buffing that main tank.

Thus either way a cooldown wouldn't harm you one bit. Besides, I thought all shammies were gimped to going resto anyway.

How ya doing, buddy?

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You won't get hit 10 times in two minutes? Maybe if you're AFK in Orgrimmar, no, you wouldn't. =\

I mean it won't proc/take all the charges....

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Also, "2 shammies buffing lolol" doesn't work in 25-man raids. MAYBE in 40-mans, but in 25-mans you can't afford to have two shammies Resto without sacrificing another class or a different-specced shammy

Hmmm, it seems in AQ/ZG 20 we always have 4 hunters and 4 shammies not only for healing but totems + Nature resist.

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I also have to wonder where the hell this crap about buffing the whole raid came from. I never made a single mention of that in my post.

I said it cause you could easily if they didn't throw that last part, buff everyone with earth shield and heal very well especially say like rogues.

And I say again, you think it's major and the shammy is weak. I have yet to see it at all. Shammies do very well both PVE and PVP.

FELIPE NO

I like the new combat rogue stuff, it's great. I think it's a great addition.

And I dont' know Kensaki, the Warlocks now have a aggro reduction too even though IMO, I don't see how you need to have aggro reduction/resets when if you DPS right you never pull aggro. The only time I can see you doing it is if it's Ony phase 3 cause she tends to randomly hit a person or two with the most aggro but hitting the MT. And those people are usually the rogues that chase her and the hunters.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by The_Griffin

I still don't see how you can do anything besides AFK in Orgrimmar and not blow Earth Shield in under 60-90 seconds, especially if you're facing a fast-hitting mob.

Unless your unlucky and it doesn't proc. ._.;

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That's in AQ20/ZG. We're talking about 25-man instances, which according to Blizzard, will be about as hard or harder than Naxxramas.

And? I'm sure a few shammies will always help regardless. IMO.

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Read the damn spell description before you mouth off on something you know nothing about.

I DID read the god damn spell, and I know what it says. Why don't you read and think before you mouth off about what you think I know. I said what I said cause if a few shammies could buff the whole raid with that shield. It'd make things a whole lot easier. Such as putting it on the MT and perhaps others classes that don't get heals or aren't suppose to cause they aren't as important. Thus helping them live longer. (Such as, if you put the earth sheild on rogues so when they get hit by AOE or whatever they have a good chance to heal themselves and as well tehy could bandage.)

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You're talking live, and you're only correct about PVP. I'm talking expansion, where shammies are hovering just above the "Free HK" mark, Elemental is worthless for both PVP and PVE, Enhancement is okay for PVE and terrible for PVP unless you're geared out the nose (ESPECIALLY if you're dual wield), and Resto is once more the best spec for PVE, and PVP too.

/cry /wrists I see your point but either way I see nothing wrong since most shammies and those who have played the close beta have nothing wrong with anything. Even with Elemental/enhancement/resto. Whatever spec it maybe. People I've known from guilds and etc love BC shammy.

And with that said, I'm done about the subject.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by The_Griffin

It's a guaranteed proc that has a cooldown of several seconds. Not a chance to proc.

Hmmm, that 30% must have threw me off, sorry.

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Nothing wrong with Elemental in both PVP and PVE and Enhancement in PVP?

Suuuure. Keep thinking that.

Most people love the new enchancement and what it will bring for PVP and PVE.

I know elemental sucks for PVE. The only reason that is, is what you have for spells. The one nature bolt or whatever. And the shocks. That's why elemental sucks for PVE. That's all I know.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

That's cause in reality, nature doesn't do much harmful, which means no curses for joo. That's what you get for being a shaman.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by The_Griffin

...NOT that argument again.

We're talking about a game where gigantic anthropomorphic cows turn into oversized kittens, the living dead can turn a troll into a sheep before using mystical and arcane forces to decimate it, immortal elves can summon down the wrath of their moon goddess upon their enemies (lol starshards), and dwarves can fire a bolt-action rifle at speeds that would rival a sub-machine gun.

Realism ain't got no place in this game.

Besides, doesn't a little thing called "balance" usually take place over realism? =\

Yes this is true but shamans aren't ones who 'curse' thier enemies. They use nature and the spirits to GUIDE THEM.

I wasn't going for an arguement like that cause nature can do tons of damage such as hurricanes and many other things. Even though druid/shammy is kinda the same class save for druids are more with nature and shamans are more with spirits.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by immp

What I usually do when I feel a class is no longer to my liking is reroll. Its a lot easier AND more fun than complaining about a class and hoping something changes.

This is true but why should he? Just because blizzard is a fucktard about it.

There are many things I hate about a rogue but I like the rogue too much to just quit him. Though I do have a 60 lock I like using a lot cause locks own.

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Oh and anther thing. About enchancement. What do you expect a warrior and rogue is? I feel both classes are very gear dependent.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Priest don't really have that much DPS either Griffin. They just can outlast like hell cause of shadow form damage reduction + the life stealing.

I know what you mean Griffin, I was giving you a hard time. ._.; They probaly won't though Griffin cause of lore.

How do mages get 10% of that, talent isn't it?


Both my chars are used for raiding/PVP.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?