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Meh now I kinda wish I was a human rogue. With 10+ that would be useful.

Actually, now my new rogue spec seems to be 15/32/4. <___<; Cause I aint putting one into imp kick unless I'm getting two. And skip duel weilding spec but kept other things.

I don't really think +5 to a certain skill is useful but *shrugs*.

Something like, http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=yhg00xZG0Edr0zxcoL that would be good IMO for my sword/mace rogue.

But the fucking thing as I keep advocating on the forums, the only problem I have is a rogue is sprint. And orignally imp sprint removed 1.30 mins. Not 1 min. That and it should be a energy cost with 30 sec cooldown. 6 sec immune to every snare/immobility. 50 energy cost.

That would be very fair IMO.

Oh no I sprint, oh fuck I got concussed/hamstrunged again. Well damn now I'm fucked.(Or chilled.)

I was speaking idiomatically.

You know with cross BG, I could techicnally then duel people from laughingskull...

But seriously I'm thinking of giving up my rogue and work on my 44 orc lock.

I just can't deal with rogue bullshit, I feel I get forced into daggers for high damage for both PVE/PVP, but I don't know. It just seems I aint happy with the review. I mean it's a good review but I think sprint needs a bigger buff but meh.

I just don't know, I can't even think of a good spec even now. I'm sitting here looking at the talent calc for anything and well, any spec I go, I just feel I'm loosing out on something. I've had about 5 different ways to build but I just feel I'm losing something or I'm doing something wrong.

I don't wnat to go daggers due to lack of items a dagger rogue would need... That and I don't want to sit in AV all day for just one lousy dagger at exalted.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Knighthawk

I am a rogue and I can tell you that nothing is wrong with the cooldowns. It is not like they are on a shared cooldown, in pvp you can blind someone and easily get away from them if needed. You can also Sprint, Vanish etc to get away or turn the tide in your favor. If you could do all three of these within 3 minutes, that would clearly be overpowering the class for pvp. The Sprint buff is a huge pvp advantage now, not only can you break movement effects but you can break out and run faster towards your goal.

Zio you get forced into daggers? That really blows, we got to pick what spec we want, our balance is somewhat nice to, we have about 3 20/31 sword rogues, a few seal fate dagger and even a combat dagger rogue. Weapon drops have been sick for us lately, in 2 months of BWL we have seen 3 Maladaths, 4 Claw of the Blake Drake's, 3 Nightmare Blades, 3 Vis'kags and tonight our first Ancient Qiraji Ripper. So no complains from me on what spec I am.

AQ sucks by the way, im disappointed after hearing how impossibly hard some of the fights were. In about 2 weeks we are already up to Huhuran and 75% of the guild had never stepped into AQ before. Meh oh well.

No, no I don't mean force force as in like in a raid but I feel blizzard is forcing me to cause they really didn't improve combat like I wanted them to... Or something. I wanted them to give you know perhaps a sword spec rogue or even a mace spec rogue to get a special attack or something. Cause now it seems with all the additions, well... It seems I may just have to go dagger to get the 'full' use of anything. I just hate daggers cause well when I did it, it just seemed so boring cause well I aced things so easily like that. Espeically with coldblood.

And there is a major difference between PVP/Duels. Trust me, I may not win duels but my god do I win PVP, just because of the fact that well, rogues can sit there and watch them till they finally sit down and eat.

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I feel you, man. I got on my rogue finally in the PTRs, and while stunlocking was fun, and I won quite a few duels... I just have no idea how to proceed, y'know?

And yeah, sprint DID need a bigger buff. I would've preferred an immunity to roots/snares for 1/2 to 3/4 of the duration of the buff, and Vanish needs more fixing.

Hell, while we're at it, why the FUCK haven't they lowered the cooldowns for Blind/Vanish/Evasion/Sprint? Seriously, they're the abilities that are depended upon to win more than any else in the game (and even then they're not always a 100% guarantee of a win), so why is it that a rogue is only good once every 5 minutes?

I don't wanna see a 30 second cooldown, though. I'm thinking a 60-second cooldown for Sprint, 3 minutes for Vanish/Blind, and 2 minutes for Evasion. That would be more balanced.

Oh well, at least the PTRs have convinced me to start levelling my Troll Rogue again. =D

PTR?

And it isn't, so much the cooldowns but once they are spent, your more then likely fucked.

You wouldn't need half the time to be immune, atleast 3-6 secs.

This is how I wanted sprint.

6 seconds, 70% speed increase. Immune to all snares/roots/whatever to slow you down/stop you. 60 energy, like a 30 sec - 1 min cooldown.


Not to mention, I don't know rather or not to get agression cause well the sword skill isn't much for PVP....

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=yhg00xZG0Edr0zxbox

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=nhg00xZG0Edr0zxcoL

Those are the two combat builds.... I really do want a fucking ironfoe from emp and anther mace so I can teach these fuckers that mace/sword spec can be good... I'm still in my best blues before PVP cause I've had so much fucking guild trouble but now I'm ina guild that does DKP and that all the rogues have 6+ NS. But I just feel like I may just level my lock besides they only have 2 locks that show up for raids and they need more locks. xD I don't know really.

FELIPE NO

What the fuck?

I'm rather disappointed in this. Oh no they are going to give the horde pallies and the alliance shammies.

They should have made two unique classes instead of this bullshit.

I'm serious though.

Well I suppose it's a blessing somewhat, I suppose now Alliance will see how underpower the shammy is in PVE, and now the horde will have a say on how underpower the pally is in PVP?

<_<;

Meh I'd rather have two unquie classes.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Tal, perhaps but jesus christ, don't give them cross faction shit.

It's bad enough to duel shammies at times. Now it'll be even worse.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Shoeless

Despite all the lore inconsistency that the Warcraft series has had since its inception, I've always been fond of the setting. Each game built upon and enhanced the lore of the previous game. However, it is getting much and much harder to swallow the new lore than Metzen is throwing at us. The last few months have been particularly frustrating for players who enjoyed WoW for its rich storyline.

Still, all of us addicts will slop it up and keep feeding at the Blizzard trough.

The reason I 'slop' it up is cause I put so much time into my characters, I dont' give it up so easily.

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40-49 is bad, 50-60 is easy.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I like PVP cause I can actually fuck with people outside and inside BGs.

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What is crit strike rating and this resilience rating? Are they changing a lot?

How ya doing, buddy?

Hmm that would different but that means all the old equips need to be changed too....

Eh sounds interesting, I just hope it helps rogues a lot mroe... And that is a SHIT LOAD of stamnia for that set. I may just wear it cause of all the extra stats on it.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by dagget

Got Rag down last night to 55% before sons. Big improvement. Sunday we start Onyxia and the Sunday after that, we start BWL. I R EXCITED. ::glee::

it's a shame that in a couple of months MC/BWL will be obsolete more or less. :\

I'd laugh if they made a 60s only MC and a 70 only MC. That way you don't need only about 20-30 70s to rape MC.

FELIPE NO

Wait, how did Grom and his son and other things get stuck in outland? Didn't only some of them get sent to Azeroth? Like Grom, Thrall and etc?

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by Elidibs

Thrall was born on Azeroth. As far as Grom goes, he and some other guy...think it was Kilrogg Deadeye, according to WoWWiki, 'rallied the other orcs through the portal' or...something. Iunno. I guess some orcs deemed 'unimportant' were just left behind. Not sure how they survived the explosion of Draenor, but hey. Video game physics. :/

Oh yeah, I forgot about that, but thanks for telling me.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

No, I had a memory problem, not a L2Lore problem.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

That's cause it makes sense for a shadow priest to have such an ability, not a shaman.

Second, with the coming of shamans and pallies on both sides. Watch how shamans/loladins get respeced/redone again to make them more even. Cause to me, i don't think there maybe much shamans going into raids.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by The_Griffin

How does it make sense for a pure healing class whose damage tree's main problem is scaling to get a mana regen talent,

A priest can be pure damage or pure healing. And it made sense for a PRIEST or a WARLOCK to get something like vampiric touch. Not a god damn hippie/nature/lore/ritualistic person like a shammy.

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when a class that Blizzard themselves has stated they want to move into a DPS/Hybrid role is being held back by both mana regen AND a reason to DPS in raids as Elemental gets... nothing except a totem they can drop before going back to healing?

You can DPS, you can heal. Good thing you feel that you get forced into it but like I said my guild has no problem with shammies, that and as well we have some elemental, some resto, and some enhancement. No need to force all your shammies into that.

Second, you have mana regen, all be it that your mana tide totem needs to be a ability, not a talent point. But you got two mana type totems. You can hybrid by this. DPS as ele/enchancement and back off and heal.

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Also, as it is, there are 9 classes, 25 spots. That leaves 3 spots for each class, with a pair of them taking 2. And the way that it looks right now... well, Elemental shammies may be one of the classes left out. =\

Actually, by the time pallies on horde even get high enough, about most shammies would have thier gear... That and as well my guild has already planned on what to do with pallies as an addition so that both get in. Mainly cause of healing, hell most shammies say that totems are better then pallies stuff cause a pally can only HAVE one aura. A shammy can drop four or whatever amount of totems.

/me shrugs.

Once again I don't play shammies but come on.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by The_Griffin

A priest, even shadow specced, can easily place around the middle of the healing meters, maybe top 5, and can also provide decent damage.

Also, let me get this straight. Are you saying that because of the name of the talent, it shouldn't be a shammy talent?

Now JUST THE NAME but what it DOES.

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Oh, joy, the mana spring totem that takes half its duration to provide any benefit to the shaman at all, on top of interrupting our spirit regen. =\

Also, as it is, Elemental shaman have no reason to DPS over healing, period. We can't DPS as good as mages or 'locks, because then our healing abilities would marginalize them completely. Which leaves party buffs. Funnily enough, the only party buff the Elemental shaman has is a passive buff that doesn't require the shaman to be casting and actualy playing as an Elemental shaman.

Hey it's still mana regeneration.

And elemental can't DPS like a mage or a lock but you pop a frost shock and go to whacking the enemy. Over and over. That is why some of the shammies who are elemental went enchancement oto.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by The_Griffin

Sooo... in other words, you're saying that Elemental shamans shouldn't a) get a viable reason to DPS on raids, something they currently lack, and b) a mana regen capability beyond either a totem that

You do, mana tide, I already said it should be an ability not a talent so you don't get rigged into restor.

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So all of a sudden I can't want the playstyle I prefer most to get equal treatment with the other DPS playstyle, and provide an actual benefit to the group?

You can have your play style but you can't expect it to be as good as anther. You can't expect to DPS like a mage. It aint going to happen.

Just like I can't espect my rogue to do flips in the air, dodge incoming fireballs(Which come on, if I was running towards someone and I saw a fireball i would jump the fuck away.), be able to use sprint to be IMMUNE to snaring and etc for a few measly seconds and that you could still physcailly backstab or ambush someone with swords or even ambush with a mace. It just aint going to happen.

You want to be an ele shammy, fine but you aren't going to be as good DPSer as say as a mage. That's like saying a rogue should be wearing mail and all thier sets be converted so that they last longer and have bigger HP buffs and etc.

And according to Gamestop, it's around 42 something with taxes here in my city in Wisconsin cause I've had paid off reserves.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by The_Griffin

I don't want to be as good at DPS as a mage, though. What I want is to be able to support and increase the DPS of others through doing damage myself, either through increasing the damage, or increasing the sustainability of others, like Enhancement shammies will be able to do come expansion. Totem of Wrath and Wrath of Air don't cut it for that, because if they wanted me to, they could have me drop those and heal. What I want is for them to require me to DPS in order to provide those buffs.

So if you do frost shock, you increase frost damage + slow down? like a tlaent like that?

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I think there is already WoW channel.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...00000000000000

I like that build better.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by The_Griffin

:lolsign:

Any build without either Shield Slam, MS, or Bloodthirst automatically fails. =\

No, because that is what my undead warrior is and it works for me. To each thier own, that's like saying mace spec rogues are stupid/fail hell actually lets put it this way. That is like saying ANY rogue spec other then dagger/ambush speced fails.



EDIT: Actually nevermind, I misthought my guy is actually MS, I used to have bloodthrist/all fury but I think bloodthirst sucks.

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Originally Posted by The_Griffin

The warrior class is one that lacks any on-demand instant attacks outside of their 31-point talents. Overpower, Revenge, Sunder Armor and Whirlwind are the only ones they have. Overpower requires a dodge to use, Revenge does crap for damage and is mainly a threat generator, Sunder Armor does no damage (although I have heard stories about prot-PVP builds that get a few sunders up and cackle as their one-hander starts hitting as hard as a two-hander) and Whirlwind is an AOE auto-attack on a cooldown.

MS provides excellent damage on top of one of the best debuffs in the game, Bloodthirst is excellent with a lot of AP (and there's nothing like fighting a combat rogue who disarms you and popping a 1.4K Bloodthirst on him ), and Shield Slam is invaluable as a tanking tool, especially with the new changes.

In PVP, Bloodthirst/MS are as valuable as Tactical Mastery because a Warrior is one of the most easily CC'd classes in the game, meaning that they have an incredibly small window of opportunity to actually attack. Also, 2H weapons are usually the best for PVP (although if you're insanely geared DW is excellent, too), and their slow swing timer is counter-productive to using "on next melee" attacks like Heroic Strike. In essence, the 31-pointers provide burst damage on demand, which is above all else king in PVP.

If you read the edit I said nevermind I hadn't played my undead warrior in a long time and the only reason I did go MS even though I want to go fury was cause MS = own healers. That and Will of the Forsaken does help a lot even though I leveled up in the other starting area because I hate undead start points(I tried it with an undead lock, I hate it.).

It's the only undead I use and I still hate it.

How does bloodthirst pop 1.4k when most people for one don't up thier unarmed(Though mine is 300 cause of teh fact you never know when you'll be disarmed for one and second cause I can still crit high/do good/fast amounts of damage.)?

It says it does 45% damage and without your main hander you won't be doing that much damage and every hit only brings back 20 health I thought.

For my warlock, he's a 5/31/16 warlock. Mainly cause that is my PVP build with good PVE ability as well. Cause I always sack my succy and someone rezes her and bam with soul link she is buffing me with a lot of shadow damage.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Oops, no wonder I thought it was crap I thought it was your weapon, not your AP.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Wasn't that saying, "Want some candy?" like from a movie eh? Cause my little brother and friend keep saying it over and over for no reason...

And yes, I can see why Bloodthirst kicks ass. It's not hard to see, I just misread/misinterpurtitate it.

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http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...00000000000000


And that is my PVP/PVE build for my sword rogue. Though if I ever get the best maces in the game, I'm going mace spec and PVPing it up.

All I know is this, as well. 4 points in MoD is good enough to PVP/Duel cause of the fact of this. The only things that really are going to see you are just humans, hunters and locks with thier fel hunter. That's all.

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I like the fury/protection spec for raiding if I had to do it with my warrior but I am more worried about decking out my lock/rogue first.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...05103400021251


And this is my PVP/PVE build for my lock. I love soul link a lot.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...05004100000000

I was speaking idiomatically.