[PC] World of Warcraft

Originally Posted by The_Griffin

...what? So you're telling me that a raid will refuse to recruit classes that can either spec for insanely good healing, or spec to either do damn good damage approaching the best of their type (rogues and warlocks) and give either a massive buff to warlock DPS along with free spot healing for the party, or a free 3% crit to either spells or melee? Even assuming that the guild doesn't force a resto or holy/disc build with the first recruit, when that raid needs more DPS, then who is going to be allowed to respec? Will it be a priest or druid, or will it be a shammy, who brings along worse DPS than either of those two, and no additional benefits to the raid that both of the other classes bring along?

If they need more DPS, they normally recruit DPS classes. Most guilds see druids/priests as heal bots.

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IIRC, the earthbind totem has become less effective with Razorgore. Oh, and as a side note, Grounding Totem USED to work with Princess Huhuran, effectively eliminating the need for a second tank, but guess what: it's getting nerfed in 1.11. In other words, there are almost no encounters that are easier for Horde to do than Alliance, and on the precious few there are, the method gets nerfed. ._.

What the fuck? <_<; Now that's gay, though I forgot what she did but I know that grounding totemed saved us a lot.

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So... in other words, they're supposed to do damage? In other words, DPS?

DPS =/= SUPPORT.

Are they on the front line? Taking hits? Like a warrior, rogue or perhaps a shammy or pally? No they are in the back dishing out DPS, polies and descurses.

I see support in the back line of battle and frontline being primary.

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Soo.... in other words, you're too lazy to download a relatively simple macro, and then turned around and complained about how Blade Flurry doesn't hit totems. Hell, given some thought, I could probably think up one right here:

/target totem
/cast Sinister Strike
/script TargetLastEnemy ()

I never bothered to script, I never said I was lazy but something like a macro boggles the mind to me, that is why I didn't bother but using tab usually works... Oh and if you thought combo lost was fixed some reason it happens in PVP a lot and a little in PVE. <_<;

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That and if it's not lag but being choppy, mess your video settings. For me since my comp is total shit, I have to turn everything down + turn off my sound/music so I'm basically fighting deaf.

I was speaking idiomatically.

I'm dling slowly because I'm behind a router...

Regardless, gamefaqs makes my eyes bleed when I tried to find a link for a direct DL mainly cause people think Blizz are skipping rogues blah blah blah. I didn't join but I wanted to say that they skipped rogues cause rogues don't really need much help and plus they to me were the most complete.

And I would have this all dled if my fucking DL manager that Fileplanet tells you to DL would work, I'd be playing by now.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Rayne

Burning Legion Is Pure Crap....
Don't really feel like making a new character but I guess I'll have to.

You don't have to make a new character... You just transfer when you buy the expansion. <_<;

And the AH will bottom out to what it was before hand. It'll just take sometime after everyone has the stuff.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Grawl

http://pc.ign.com/articles/714/714497p1.html

Totally not worth it, seriously.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by Cat9

You mean the $25? Its a hell of alot cheaper than other MMOs...

Most MMOs usually dock you ingame pay and won't let you transfer for about 2 months or so. Atleast ones I know.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Jessykins &lt

Yes it is. I'm currently running around with a raptor, skeletal warhorse, and war wolf in my bag.

It is easy, it was easier when in AV all you had to do was turn in heads and shit for rep.

Now you are stuck doing quests and or runecloth turn ins. Oh well, either that or can't you get rank 9 in PVP and just buy a PVP mount?

And gnome mounts suck.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Well there is a mage Grand Marshel who proves that PVP is just a grind. All he would do is cast frost bolt and firebolt and Arcade explosion. Have tier 2 equips and so much more. He never blinked, poly or anything. WORSE mage on the server and yet he got rank 14 or whatever for PVP. The highest rank.

Now that's bullshit.

I think it's rank 9 and by PVP I mean any PVP. World PVP and battlegrounds PVP.

Regardless, I have my epic troll mount, I'm still farming runecloth and playing my low level lock to level(32 now) on Korgath(I moved from stormreaver to korgath) and to get my epic wolf mount for my troll rogue.

Oh and I love about a new server? I sold a my four black lotuses for 300g a piece.(And by new server, I mean they allowed three servers to transfer to Korgath and Korgath was a brand new server with new hardware and etc.) Not to mention runecloth and many herbs sell for a lot. I'm raking up the gold + getting org rep.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Kensaki

Same as me. I've given up WOW really seeing shitheads that can't play for five shits get into raid guilds. It just confirms how shit easy the raid dungeons are imo.

It's not that, it's not hard to just sit there and rake up DKP as long as you do a half ass job, don't pull aggro, die or wipe.

Daggot:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=ihg00xZG0Ez0VzxcoV

That is my build, it's a good DPS for both PVP and PVE. Even though I lost ironfoe to a fucking WARRIOR. He said it's a tank weapon, it's not a god damn tank weapon. I'm sick of these warriors who beat me in the rolls. I've seen it drop twice and I loose it to the god damn warriors.

If i had Ironfoe I'd so go back to mace spec again. Chance to grant TWO extra attacks + stun? Holy hell IMO that's good.

Anyway, that's my sword/mace spec build. It's awesome.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Make sure you ninja the blood, it drops at random 1-3 first come first serve.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by The_Griffin

Zio: That's a pretty good build. I'd take a point or two out of something (Master of Deception or Ruthlessness) and put it into Murder, though. It sucks ass when you miss your opener. >.<

You don't need murder if you have precision since it gives you +5 to hit, and with +hit gear from BG or even set pieces. You DO NOT NEED IT.

The only time you would need it is against orcs and guess what? I'm horde, I don't have to worry about missing with cheap shot or anything really.

EDIT: REMEMBER, riposte can be used even if someone doesn't get disarm, it's a nice 200-700 damage hit every 6 secs. Not to mention it helps in soloing elites.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by dagget

... They changed it. It's now a quest drop for everyone.

Also, that's another reason I hate DKP. It involves no effort at all. People will show up, go AFK the whole fight while having it set to follow someone and only pop up during boss fights, or shortly after they go down. Where as with officer distributed or some rolling systems (other than and including simple /random) everyone has a chance rather than someone just deciding to take everything.

Also, what is this slow-ass update I'm getting?

Oh and Dagget... Most people in DKP suits do keep that in check, my guilds do. If they see you not fighting for a long time, not onyl will you not get items but docked DKP. Trust me, they keep tabs on them. I had to when I was the rogue class leader. I had to make sure the rogues were doing thier jobs.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by dagget

Well then there must be a lot of people who magically get better when they join an end-game guild then. I'm just tired of seeing faghats who can't play in good gear. Of course, it's probably my fault too. For thinking this is a game. How dare I!?! Also, it still doesn't stop those who just rack up endless points and then end up buying a whole MC run. Plus in the end, if something happens to a guild, then all that "hard earned" DKP goes bye bye.

Eh, I'm a bit bitter tonight. Probably going to leave the guild my alliance is in. Finding out little by little they're a bit too hardcore for my tastes. Everynight there's some arguement about DKP (mainly those who miss out on raids) and it just irritates me to hear all that whining over virtual points to get gear. Plus whenever I need help with an instance, they're either in BGs or in a raid somewhere. And even if they aren't, they ignore people who aren't 60.

Wish the server transfers allowed to go cross realm styles. I'd soo transfer to Laughing Skull with my gnome in a heartbeat. I'm sure a few people wouldn't mind that.

Daggot, it's not hard to do a raid. Especially as a rogue, non-main tank and etc.

Gee, spam SS or whatever you need for DPS then slice n dice, berserk and blade flurry.

Whee, sounds easy to me. Oh and don't pull a aggro or anything. That's a no no.

Other then that, it's not hard to look good in a end game raid instance where it COUNTS.

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Originally Posted by dagget

My raiding character was a tank. OT. Had to keep aggro. Hard to do it when rogues and hunters and locks and mages take aggro.

besides, I'm not saying that it's HARD to raid, it's tedious. Plus.. well I'm not getting into that same discussion again. heh. I just hate how people don't want a part of anyone end-game unless they start taking down bosses. then EVERYONE wants a piece of that pie.

Indeed, but my guild did something like this. Anyone who doesn't try to learn Naxx can go to hell and no more MC/BWL loots.

Ken: Anything is easy once you learn it... Either that or it gets nerf. It's either or and type situtation.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by dagget

LOLOL. And those are the types of guilds I tend to stay away from. If you don't want to raid/advance, then you get denied loot.

That's actually sad at the same time too. :\

Dagget, listen.

So while your guidl has BWL, Ony and MC on farm status and those who don't wnat to take the time to learn a new raid that has NO strategy and etc. To learn new content then guess what? There is going go be little to NO ONE who will come and do it.

You just said, no one wants to do something that isn't on farm status. Which is true.

My old guild resurgent, we had MC and Ony down. We started to do BWL and barly anyone showed up till the leader offered double DKP for it. No one wanted to do it till she said, you know what you loot fucker, you loot whores. If you don't want to try, cry less about repair bills and etc. Then you can suffer without MC and Ony loot till we learn BWL. Those who show up will get first dibs regardless of DKP adn who has the most.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by The_Griffin

Assuming that this does work, what's a good 40-man to start off with? Onyxia? MC?

Keep in mind that I don't think any of us have raiding experience.

Most guilds do ZG first, then MC, then Ony, then BWL then Nax.

That is how most new starting guilds do it.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by dagget

Actually, I was just commenting on how funny it is that some guilds just have insane rules like that. I didn't mean anything offense about it. Hey if that's how you like playing, that's cool. It's a game afterall. :P Some people take it a bit too seriously for my tastes though.

Dagget, I didn't take any offense but seriously, how is a guild going to advance when all you got is people who whine about repair bills which is at max of 12g(and most people have 400+ gold, I have about 200.) and all they want is to farm MC, Ony and BWL and not even try Naxx or anything new.

I'd rather try to advance the guild by doing an instance like BWL or whatever to advance hte guild so we can get our strat down and get things moving for more phat loot then to do MC, ZG and anything else over and over.

Know what I mean?

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Originally Posted by dagget

No, I don't know what you mean. :P I wish my repair bills in MC/Ony were "only 12g" and I had 400g+ on me at all times. I wouldn't bitch about repair bills if I had that kind of cash!


I just think it's complete ass to stop other people in a guild from advancing, because that guild doesn't have a complete A-Team ready to jump the new instances bones on day one. (That's what it sounds like to me) Sure, I'm all for advancing and everything but damn, thats got to suck for the new people who are ready for MC/BWL to be denied it because the top 40 can't do Naxx.

Btw so I'm not called on it later. :P If I were to join a guild that has MC/BWL on farm status, then I would still considering myself learning the content. Sure the hard work is already done... for most of them but I'm still learning it. heh. I just hate the people who are complete assfucks who jump ship to a guild that has the shit on farm status solely for loot then when they get all they can get they try to go back into their original guild. If someone did that shit to me (not including friends of mine who've told me they were leaving ahead of time, just people who up and leave at a whim) I'd be all "fuck you. you're not getting back in."

Agreed on the last part but I don't mean to completely stop but those who actually TRIED to do it instead of onyl showing up for MC/BWL. I understand what you mean but I am talking about people who have most of thier tier 1/2 but don't give a fuck about anything else when they are ready for bigger better instances.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by dagget

Sadly, that's where most UBRS PUG runs end. Right before General. Either due to the faggotry of one or two people, or someone getting bitchy about a past drop in the instance and bitch. It's always something. 9 times out of 10 you're the one that gets blamed, even if the person who's fault it was is screaming it at you.

Lord V is a bitch of a boss anyway. I'm dreading when I have to fight him, really.

Whose Lord V again?

And second, get used to it. It's either the rogue's or the warrior's fault. 85% of the time it is. Trust me. Either the warrior whose holding aggro well but then some twit of a caster comes in and pulls aggro and then dies cause he KEEPS DPSING IT INSTEAD OF EITHER BLINKING(or blinking into more aggro like a idiot) or frost nova/walking back and etc. He just keeps DPSing and the warrior totally looses aggro then.

Or the rogue cause some how the rogue in stealth always aggro or some lame shit that it's the rogue's fault.

One time I threw a distract and pulled aggro from the trolls in LBRS cause of that glitch I got blamed for it. I told them it's not my fault it's a glitch and no one believed me till I told them to ask in Org.

Or I love is how I was stealth, everyone is sitting drinking and the boss gets aggroed due to a person whose one or two level below the minmal. He draws the aggro and then blames me cause I was 'infront of them'. I told him, that it wasn't me since I didn't get attacked, he did.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=AVZ0xGuGxotZxV0p

This is my wtfpwnyouinthefacetomakekiddiesscreamnerflocksbuil d.

Heh...

It's my demo/soullink build though they did nerf soullink hard by banishing pets but it's so hard to tell if someone has soullink but I still just banish lock pets out of habit even before this nerf. It's a good/bad nerf but meh, usually most locks I've seen since I play horde, they don't banish besides the fact I use the voidwalker/felhunter combo to kill people. I rarely summon succy/imp and that is mainly cause of the fact that the voidwalker can be saced for a shield.

That and I have the trinket to get that voidwalker back + fel domination. I = pwnzors.

How ya doing, buddy?

Rogue review is kicking some ass right now.... And I bet shammies will get some hotfixes but eh I don't know Grif, it might just stay that way by the looks of it.

By the way, expose armor and many other stuff will actually have some USE for once.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by The_Griffin

Yeah, I'm pretty much holding out absolutely no hope for anything. The way things are going I may very well roll something USEFUL, like a priest or something. = \

*sigh* It's a damn shame, too... I fucking LOVE playing as a shammy. It is SO MUCH FUN... but I wanna be decent in raids, too. D=

Meh I think they are decent rather or not they go manatide or not.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by The_Griffin

I dunno... I guess the thing about raiding with me is that I'm getting the main impression that shammies are just fillers to take along if a raid has too few people in it, and I really don't want to be a filler spot or a charity case.

Oh well... I guess when I hit 60 I'll start levelling my druid some more and use my shammy for RP and PVP, i.e. relaxation. *shrug*

Well then your one of the people who decide who goes and not via class for each raid it helps. :P I usually do this when I lead the raid.

40 men.

5 shammies
5 mages
5 warriors
5 priests
5 druids
5 rogues
5 warlocks

and the five is a mix up of what you want. I usually take more healers/warriors with the last five but that is jsut me.


And don't feel bad Griff. My guild still tells me I should roll undead rogue with daggers.

I tell them this.

Fuck you, undead = body that looks like it's falling apart + WoTF is overrated(Not saying it's good but it's overrated when people say why they went undead.). They look ugly to me. I'd rather be a troll, orc or taruen. And I hate thier starting areas + first PVP zone much like I do for Night elf(Though thier starting areas are good just Ashenvale the first PVP zone sucks balls.).

Besides I think trolls/Orcs are the best by looks + racial talents.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Gechmir

Trolls look ugly to me... =( I made a Troll hunter and HAD to make it female, because the male ones look way too goofy for my tastes.

But all my other hordies are Taurens ;D <3 Cows.

Your mom looks ugly. :O

Meh I like orcs and trolls the most. I only choose a cow cause of druid only race. <_<;

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Xellos

Uh..hunters? You could argue that their obsolete, but blizzard made it so you need hunters for some fights. Tranqshot, pet pulls, etc.

You can't go wrong with them anyway, they do good damage, can remove aggro when they get it, and you won't be wasting hunter loot when it drops. There's no reason not to take them.

Shit I knew I forgot about that class.... Hunters are needed too... So I guess I just like five of every class...

And I hate hunters cause thier loot always drop. <_<; Got two of the helms off of ony.

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