[Movie] Heroes

This is probably the only new show this season I really ended up hyping for myself and for others around me. That said, my second viewing of the pilot tonight still had the little nuances that I found slightly annoying when I watched the leaked screener. It still felt forced and a little rushed, but I still enjoyed it all the same.

Since it isn't canon anymore, I guess I can say that I'm surprised that Isaac handcuffing himself to a pipe and then using a hacksaw to cut his hand off (ow!) got cut (no pun intended). I guess whatever future plotlines are in store down the road require Isaac to have full use of both hands.

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Originally Posted by striped phantom

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IMDB has some studio pics of the cast. There's 2 people in there I haven't seen in the first ep. A white policeman and a token black guy.

They weren't in the first episode. They're going to pop up in the second episode (since the filmed pilot was originally two hours but split into two episodes for pilot and airing purposes).

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Originally Posted by BlueMikey

Some of them weren't even in the original 2 hour pilot. The cop that has been referred to on the commercial a few times wasn't on that pilot. For some reason, they cut down that original 2 hour screener that was leaked in July.

I remembered reading somewhere that he was cut out of the two hour pilot, but since I couldn't remember exactly where I had read it, I found this random interview.

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Robin: I saw the pilot episode at Comic-Con and it absolutely blew me away. I need more!

Tim: Oh, you saw the seventy-minute version we showed? That was fun. It was a pretty wild event.

How long have you had the idea for Heroes?

I first came up with the idea about a year ago, in its nascent stages. I noodled the idea around while I was doing my day job, Crossing Jordan. Finally I got around to writing the pilot in October and November. I turned it in and went from there. I turned in a one hour script, and then it became a two-hour premier. But now we're back to one hour again for the premier.

So the seventy minute version shown at Comic-Con...?

There's fifteen minutes that was shot for the two-hour version that we showed there, that nobody will ever see again. The pilot that airs on tv will be one hour. Though some of the footage from the two-hour version has been worked into the second episode.

Can you tell us anything about that footage and why it was removed?

It's all of the introduction to Greg Grunberg's character. He was going to be introduced in the pilot, but we've since reworked a lot of his character's story -- through no fault of Greg's. The writers and the network simply decided to go in a little bit of a different direction with that character.

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Originally Posted by Crash Landon

Perhaps Mohinder is the father that Niki would rather not see?

Actually...

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I noticed that she said "D.L." to that lady friend of hers. D.L. just happens to be the prison inmate character whose power is phasing.

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Originally Posted by Crash Landon

I see. I don't doubt you, but where did you come by this information? D.L. wasn't listed on the official site, last I knew.

Yeah, he's not on the official site yet. He's listed on the series' Wikipedia entry and he's in this cast shot (it's not hard to guess who he is).

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by IdentikitOfEyes

I dont know, they way the show puts is it seems that D.L. is some kind of mobster that doesnt really have any powers, just big goons that cant take a shard to the neck.

Um, that's not D.L. That's an entirely different character altogether who probably has no true importance to the plot as a whole.

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Originally Posted by cubed

Wow...

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Niki's ability is nothing really special afterall. A simple double personality. Not that I'm that surprised, but it's a disappointment.

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Well, she's a double personality with some unusual strength. I wonder if there's more than meets the eye, but I wouldn't be surprised if super strength was all she had.

Anyways, I was kind of taken aback by future!Hiro's appearance. I guess I should've expected some sort of intervention from future characters considering that the show is grounded in comic book mainstays, but I found it slightly cheap all the same. With any luck there won't be much meddling around with the past from future versions of characters.

I'm curious to find out how important Claire is to "saving the world." You don't spout lines like that and have her do something dinky like hold open a door for the superpowered people to run into. Or perhaps the prediction meant that first they had to save Claire and then they would have to save the world.

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Originally Posted by Crash Landon

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Okay, D.L. is most likely a bad guy. That sucks. I'm pretty intrigued by him now, however. Someone mentioned that his ability was listed as "phasing", but now I'm skeptical. It looks more like his ability is mental in nature. Perhaps he can delve into peoples' memories and view them, or even erase them.

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That's not D.L. D.L.'s the black guy we briefly see in the episode preview (or was it a commercial aired during the show?) kind of, um, flying away really fast.

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Originally Posted by Crash Landon

How do you know this?

D.L. is played by Leonard Roberts and Sylar/"Mysterious man" is played by Jimmy Jean-Louis.

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Originally Posted by striped phantom

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The guy flying away in the preview is white. DL = black. The guy flying away seemed to be pressured by Claire's dad and the mysterious black guy

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It actually looked to me like he was black, but the scene was too brief to be very telling anyways.

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"Save the cheerleader, save the world." That's the mantra for the season, I suppose.

Claire has to have a limit to her ability somewhere. I'm assuming that if you dismember her, she won't be able to use that nifty healing factor of hers so easily. That's just pure speculation, though.

I don't really have much to say about the episode other than I'm still floored by the way the show has me hooked. I look forward to Mondays just because of Heroes.

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Oh, and darn those early commercials for making me assume that D.L. was the one in the blue pants. It turned out to be Nathan after all.

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Originally Posted by Crash Landon

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The last possibility is that Eden is actually an agent of Mr. Bennet's and had been keeping tabs on Mohinder's father. When Mr. Suresh was killed and Bennet ran into Mohinder, Eden may have had her duties continued. This could also place the mysterious gun into Mr. Bennet's hands.

Congrats on being right!

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Personally, I was a little surprised to see that Eden is working with Mr. Bennet. It didn't come as too much of a surprise because I always thought Eden's presence was a little fishy, but there was still a small element of surprise nonetheless.

Tonight's episode didn't really have as many jaw-dropping events as last week's episode, I thought, but it was still good nonetheless. The preview for next week's episode looks like it'll start to finally bring things together, which I definitely can't wait for.

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There's no way Claire's brother is going to keep her secret. And when is Micah going to do something more than stand there and spout out a few lines?

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Originally Posted by Shenlon

I kind of find it wierd that hiro can be in a conversation in english in the desert but most of the time he doesn't understand any english at all.

I think it's more like Hiro's English extends as far as conversational English rather than actually being fluent in it, which Ando seems to be to a certain degree.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by striped phantom

Yeah, the show has gotten a bit slower with last week's Niki/Jessica focus and this week's too.
It'll pickup once the Homecoming gets closer (within next 2 weeks?..)

I think next week's episode leads up to Homecoming but the actual bulk of the Homecoming stuff happens the week after next.

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I suppose it's no surprise that next week's episode is going to be the turning point episode of the season by far. Why must the episode preview be so tantalizing?

Anyways, tonight's episode was pretty good albeit a little predictable and missing the Niki/DL/Micah subplot.

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Okay, so what is Eden? I'm guessing she's another superpowered person, but what's her power? Is she some sort of "siren"? I noticed that they emphasized how she whispered into Isaac's ear and that calmed him down somewhat. She whispered in Mohinder's ear before he left, too.

Does Hiro realize the implications of what he's doing? He wants to save that girl, yes, but how will the future be altered? Does Sylar somehow switch focus from her to Claire? Or does he end up tracking her down and killing her regardless of whether or not she shows up at work?

Okay, the show keeps being wishy-washy on trying to paint Mr. Bennet as the bad guy or simply a guy involved in tracking down and "protecting" or "enhancing" people's powers. Tonight's episode would've singlehandedly convinced me that he was a "good guy" until he did that sigh after his speech about how Claire was in grave danger. Next week's episode might reveal more, I suppose.

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I think I hyped up the episode too much for myself.

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I was expecting some gigantic fight between Peter and Sylar since I thought Peter was going to mimic some of Sylar's powers and use them against him. Obviously, that didn't happen. Sylar's capture also seemed a little underwhelming. There's no way he can stay asleep forever, right?

As for next week's episode, well, I guess the existence of a real Jessica Sanders makes Niki's power a little more interesting.

I'm a little tired of the scenes involving Niki, DL, and Micah. C'mon, put them into the big picture already.

All in all, I thought tonight's episode was good, just not what I was expecting.

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Originally Posted by Wai

Since Hiro went six months back, will he see Jessica in action? Remember, Jessica framed DL of murdering his partners. Will Hiro do something about it?

Hiro doesn't even know about Niki/Jessica and he's all the way in Texas, so I don't think he'll have any direct impact on Jessica's "development," if you could even call it that.

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I suppose it was pretty cheap of the writers to conveniently write in that the past is unalterable, but that gets rid of any possible plot holes or paradoxes along the way.

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So what, Niki can just channel her dead sister who also happens to have afterlife-patented super strength? There's still some gray area concerning Niki's power, though the fact that Jessica was her sister is definitely a step in the right direction.

I think Crash also hit it on the head when he likened Sylar to an anti-Hiro. The way he kept going on about wanting to be special--but for all the wrong reasons--made me go, "Okay, yeah, he's definitely a bit messed in the head."

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His exact original power is still a bit murky. He can sense when things are broken? That seems rather ambiguous. The idea that he's eating people's brains isn't too far off the mark, though I wonder exactly how eating a person's brain gives you their power. Is there more to his original power than just sensing when something is broken?

I don't think I'm going to trust NBC's promo this week as much as I should. Homecoming seemed rather anticlimactic after NBC's hype for the episode, so maybe I should just expect a minor character to bite the dust.

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Originally Posted by nuttyturnip

But they haven't said the past is completely unalterable. Otherwise, why did future Hiro come back and warn Peter Petrelli to seek out the artist? Didn't Hiro say something about how Peter always told him he had wished he could have done something (I don't remember his exact words), which would indicate that future Hiro changed the present by talking to Peter.

I believe that future!Hiro said that Peter always wanted to be able to do something and was using that to get Peter to go save Claire.

Also, I think that future!Hiro traveling back in the past was something that just plain happened. In other words, future!Hiro didn't alter the past; he just gave it a little push.

Oh, and by "unalterable" I mean by big things like saving someone's life.

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Originally Posted by Crash Landon

I just had an interesting notion.

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Next week a hero dies. Now, it'd be a little premature to kill off a main character, since the fanbase is only just now getting accustomed to the bigger players. However, there are a number of recurring, minor players that could potentially be killed off.

And here's what I'm thinking will happen: Mr. Bennet has captured Sylar. The preview showed him banging on glass. But we don't specifically know what Sylar can do, or the extent of his range.
I'm guessing that Sylar will somehow break free of his prison and seek revenge upon his captors. The Haitian man is some kind of "buffer" and Sylar couldn't do much to him, short of a good fist-pounding. And Mr. Bennet's role in all this is far too nebulous and important for him to die.

But Eden, interesting as she is, is somewhat disposable. She's got a good power, and we can tell that she's ultimately trying to do some good. But her plot purposes have largely been fulfilled - she's compromised Chandra and Mohinder's work; she's ushered Isaac into care; and she's helped capture Sylar, if but temporarily. She's not a major character, to be truthful.

This is why she will die. Sylar will break loose and seek to absorb her "persuasion" ability, since he should've been able to figure out how it works by now. He's likely to be upset at her for impeding him, and probably recognizes her as a threat to his agenda if their paths should once again cross.

So a hero dies. NBC's prophecy is upheld and nobody major is disrupted much. Sounds pretty likely, doesn't it?

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Actually, I think it's pretty likely. I mentioned to one of my friends that should a character die next week, it'll be one of the minor characters whose presence won't be sorely missed.

I kinda like Eden, though. Oh well.

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Originally Posted by The Furious One

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Regarding Hiro, remember he telephoned himself, after that he couldn't use his powers. Now that two Hiro's exist I'm thinking that Hiro will have to kill himself.

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Uh... Two Hiros? No, that's not it. Hiro merely talked to himself from six months ago. Right before he kissed Charlie, Hiro automatically teleported himself back to the present day, albeit in Japan instead of Texas.

I was speaking idiomatically.

January 22nd seems so far away.

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I could care less about Lyle, but Zach... Man, I really like Zach. I'm kind of hoping that the Haitian can somehow restore memories, too. Zach is too good of a friend for Claire to just not have.

There's a lot of information to process, so I won't regurgitate what others have said. Instead, I'll mention a tiny little fact the Haitian mentioned to Claire that no one's touched on: Mr. Bennet's used the Haitian to wipe his wife's memory quite a number of times. If that doesn't somehow spell "sinister," I don't know what else does.

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Originally Posted by The Furious One

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Maybe when all the heroes gang together Peter will go into overload. I can't remember a time when he has been with more than one hero.

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It doesn't seem very realistic to have him explode because of an overabundance of powers to draw from, though.

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Originally Posted by ArchesFan

I just like the duo of Claire and Zach being her sidekick.

While Zach being gay is a plus for me, I'm putting the value of the friendship that Claire and Zach had over Zach's sexuality. I truly enjoyed watching them interact and the thought of never seeing that again is a little disheartening. Claire really needed Zach, but I guess getting rid of Zach and establishing a connection with Peter is more important in the long run.

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Originally Posted by The Furious One

There seems to be a new baddy, "How can you see me?"

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Actually, he's not a "bad guy." The character--Claude--will turn out to be quite the mentor to Peter. Think of him as Yoda, I guess.

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