Song of the Week - WEEK 63 Voting/WEEK 64 Nominating

Week 63 Voting is closed.
Week 64 Nominating is restricted.

Week 63 Voting
The rules for voting can be found here.

Final Result:
1st: Uncharted Waters Online (Game Rip) - South african ocean
2nd: REMASTERED TRACKS ROCKMAN ZERO Physis - Esperanto
3rd: CRISS†CROSS ~ CROSS†CHANNEL Soundtrack Arrange Version - Airwaves

Notes:
If you are a member at more than one of the forums which this event is being held at, please nominate and vote in only ONE of the forums. You may, however, comment in the threads at any of the other forums.


Week 64 Nominating
The Nominations Queue can be found here.
The rules for nominating can be found here.

Here are the links to the corresponding threads at the other forums:
- Chudah's Corner
- Soundtrack Central

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Sorry about the delay, folks. There was an unexpected event I had to attend today, which took up the whole afternoon.

And then our thirty minute drive back took two and a half hours because a semi rolled over on I-80.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Yes, ikkei is correct. Phantom Brave has been nominated from thrice before.

However, the album retirement rule takes effect when an album has placed three times. If you remember the poll from a while back, it was voted that no amount of nominations would disqualify an album.

Of course, if people now think that Phantom Brave is too well known to be nominated from, that's another matter entirely.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by orion_mk3

1 pt - "So they swap murders."

Okay, I've got the Strangers on a Train part, but I can't figure out which of the tracks it has to do anything with. Another hint?

Also, for my next nomination, here's another generic rock track that'll rack up mad points simply because people hate their eardrums:

• Artist: MintJam
• Composer: Kenji Ito
• Album/Game Title: 3rd GIG #Crescent
• Track Title: In Search of the Holy Sword -Seiken Densetsu-
• Disc Number: 1 (of 1)
• Track Number: 4
• Catalog Number: MJCD-0003
• Year: 2005
• Additional Information: As advance warning to orion_mk3, the National PRNRF Council has issued a Level 3 advisory on this song.
• Source(s): http://www.mintjam.net/3rd/3rd_index.htm

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Drakken

And I've never heard of MintJam (or if I did, I don't remember it). If Suikoden is allowed, I would think this "MintJam" should be allowed. Unless I just happen to be one of the few people who hasn't heard it.

Originally Posted by Dr. Uzuki

The only time I've ever heard of MintJam was the Rude Performance nom.

We've had two MintJam tracks; A rude performance -spicy Jam mix-, as Dr. Uzuki mentioned, and Feast of immorality from the Ryouki II Original Soundtrack, which placed second in Week 45.

Originally Posted by Dr. Uzuki

Also, we have had a Seiken Densetsu arrange piece before.

Two, actually, both from Seiken Densetsu Sound Collections.

Originally Posted by Dhsu

Uh, FF Adventure is kind of not obscure. And by "kind of" I mean "completely and totally." Neither is MintJam. BUT HEY YOU'RE THE BOSS.

Artist obscurity is not a criterion for track rejection; for instance, in Week 36, we had Jet Black Hatred from the Hanjuku Hero VS 3D Original Soundtrack, which was composed by one Nobuo Uematsu. Whoever that guy is.

Besides, one unwritten standard we've had (perhaps we should explicitly add it to the rules) is that the obscurity of the source is not important as long as the arranged track is obscure enough. I point to Chocobo's Happy Christmas in Week 10 as the canonical example of this.

Out of curiosity, how many people have heard 3rd GIG #Crescent?

Also, stop editing, Dhsu. >:(

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Originally Posted by Dhsu

Uhhh...does that mean I can nominate stuff from CT Brink of Time and GGX2 Sound Alive? 'Cause I will.

Brink of Time absolutely not, since that's in no way an obscure album in itself. Likewise, no to either of the Black Mages albums and the FF Piano Collections.

I'm not hip to the obscurity of GG albums, but I'd say that GGXX SA is probably also too well known.

How ya doing, buddy?

EDIT: Dr. Uzuki made my point in about 30000 less words.

Originally Posted by Dhsu

But see, you're just saying that, like I was. I could conduct a poll as well asking "Who's heard Sound Alive?" and the results would likely be comparable to the number of people who've heard 3rd GIG.

If so, then it'd be eligible, providing 3rd GIG is. The way I figured, since it's one of only two GG albums that I've actually heard and have, it's likely that a goodly number of other people have heard it too because I'm particularly unversed in fighting game soundtracks. But if that's not the case, by all means go ahead and nominate something from it. It's a very good album.

And of course I'm just saying that. Without polls, there's no reasonable way I can possibly know everyone's opinion on an album's obscurity. That's why my decisions aren't final and polls exist in the first place:

Originally Posted by Nomination rule #2

Questions on eligibility in regards to this restriction will be answered on a per-song basis by Staff, with strong aid from the general consensus here.

(emphasis added)

Originally Posted by Dhsu

And I myself had never listened to Brink of Time before today (and have heard *of* but never actually *heard* Creid before).

Same situation with me and Creid, actually. I really have no idea on the eligibility on that one. In fairness, we've had not one, not two, but THREE tracks from Xenosaga II: lamentation and communication breakdown (<3) from the Movie Scene ST and Final Battle from the rip. So maybe it would be eligible, who knows.

Of course, it's not just one person's experiences that determines eligibility. I've never played nor heard the soundtrack to FFIV (it's shameful, I know ), but I'd say there's a fairly good chance any nomination from the game would be shot down exceedingly quickly.

I've heard Brink of Time, but that's not why I don't think it should be eligible; I think it shouldn't be here because I've always thought that it's a high profile arrange album that many people have heard. If that's not the case, then it's eligible.

And to cut this one off at the pass, yes, I'm basing my opinion of GGXX SA solely on the fact that I have it, but as I said, I don't know about its obscurity, so that's all I have to go on. If I'm right, I'm right. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. That's why other people's opinions matter.

Originally Posted by Dhsu

Likewise, I think you overestimate how many people have actually gone through the FF Piano and Vocal Collections (not that I would ever nominate anything from those albums). If you're just assuming they're "well-known", what's to stop me from saying the same for Seiken and/or MintJam?

That's exactly what we've been doing: assuming. I assume many people have heard FFIV's soundtrack, but this might not be true. I assume many people have heard Brink of Time, but this might not be true. Hence the purpose of debate: to find everyone's opinion and figure out exactly what should and shouldn't be allowed. I don't pretend to be omniscient, far from it; since I'm lazy, I'd actually prefer to dump eligibility decisions on the masses than give up precious seconds of my time I could be using to replay Metroid Fusion. If enough people think my MintJam nomination is ineligible, I'll change it. It's really as simple as that.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by KyleDunamis

For my nom after the Suikoden track, would Mother 2/Earthbound be too well known you think? I saw the other Mother track, but (I think) that was from Mother 1.

Yeah, we've had two Mother 1 arrrangements, that and Wisdom of the World from Week 44.

Mother 2 is borderline, but I could see this being acceptable, possibly depending on the track. I remember Fourside was in last year's BSC, although if I remember correctly it didn't make it past the first round.

Just as well, since the OST version sucks.

Originally Posted by Dhsu

And I think this is my main issue with the current interpretation of the rules. If someone nominated a Liberi Fatali arrangement, they could just invoke the "Chocobo's Happy Christmas" clause again. Combined with the "Hanjuku Hero" clause, the arranger could be well-known too. So both the artist AND the source material could be famous, but as long as SotW voters haven't heard them together, it's completely eligible?

Yes, that's exactly how the precedents work. There has been some other resistance to the Chocobo's Happy Christmas precedent besides yours though, most notably the giant amount of flak I took for the Dragon Roost arrange that TCK mentioned.

I'm just administering the precedent. If enough people think it should be changed, then tell me for Chrissake. Some people have shown an interest in rejecting arrangements of at least extremely well-known themes, but this sort of thing rarely comes up so this is the first major discussion we've had about it.

I don't see why you're so hung up on the composer, though. Should Revolter be denied because it was composed by Sakimoto? Or DynamiTracer because Uematsu wrote it? (Not that I think anything from DynamiTracer would do particularly well here at all. ) Sure, being written by a high profile composer increases the song's chances of being heard, but if people haven't heard it, let it in.

Originally Posted by Dhsu

Oh by the way, here's my next nomination!

If people haven't heard it, let it in.

FELIPE NO

Before I get to my main point, I first need to say that I don't think Squaresoft Variation should be eligible. I believe Dhsu underestimates the amount of people here familiar with OCR, and that SV is one of the highest profile mixes on OCR and doesn't need particularly more exposure.

Now that that's out of the way...

Originally Posted by Dhsu

I think a combined poll for the Soule and MintJam tracks is in order.

Originally Posted by Crash Landon

Make some polls and end this already.

I'm not going to make polls for the MintJam and Soule tracks right now because, surveying the thread:

MintJam
in favor: 5 (CHz, Dr. Uzuki, GoldfishX, Elorin, Crash Landon)
opposed: 1 (Dhsu)

Soule
in favor: 1 (Dhsu)
opposed: 3 (Kaleb.G, orion_mk3, CHz)

Loudness does not indicate the extent of an opinion. I currently have no reason to believe anyone other than Dhsu feels the way he does about the eligibility of these two tracks, and thus do not feel a poll is necessary. If other people step forward and think MintJam shouldn't be here or Soule should, then we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. But right now, the only thing I see as being poll-worthy is the Chocobo's Happy Christmas precedent, and I will make a poll and thread for further discussion some time soon.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by Dhsu

As of now, the oppositions to the SV nom seem to be kneejerk reactions and appeals to the HEART OF THE CARDSCONTEST rather than an adherence to established precedent (again, the notoriety of the source tune and arranger should have no bearing on eligibility)..

Originally Posted by CHz

Before I get to my main point, I first need to say that I don't think Squaresoft Variation should be eligible. I believe Dhsu underestimates the amount of people here familiar with OCR, and that SV is one of the highest profile mixes on OCR and doesn't need particularly more exposure.

Originally Posted by Crash Landon

I'll say right now that I lean toward opposing the Soule track, if only for its high profile on OCR. If it were a buried treasure, I'd be more willing to accept it. This is not the case, however.

Originally Posted by Kaleb.G

It had a whole thread dedicated to it before the last crash. In fact, I believe it was I who started it.

Furthermore, OCR was not the only place Soule passed the track onto. He took it to some Square-related websites as well. Could have been several sites.

Also:
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22sq...en-US:official

Compare the number of results to something like my nominaton:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...22&btnG=Search

Given, that's one unpublished arrangement versus an entire album.

Okay.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Chocobo's Happy Christmas precedent debate and voting can take place in this thread.

Double Post:

Originally Posted by Dhsu

Edit:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...nt&btnG=Search

1080 results, over SV's 772.

http://www.google.com/search?q=%223rd+gig+crescent%22
102.

Let's not use Google. We can use quotes and phrasing to prove pretty much whatever we want

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Shaolin Samurai

Hope this isn't too well known...

Album: Dynasty Warriors 4 Original Soundtrack
Title: Eve
Track Number: 18
Composer: ???
Catalog No.: KECH-1233
Year: 2003
Source: http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=KECH-1233

Whoa, just noticed this nomination now.

Shin Sangokumusou 3 is perfectly fine by my estimation; in fact, I was planning to nominate a track from it some time down the road. It's a great album; nice pick.

Eve was composed by Yasuhiro Misawa, by the way; check the GMR entry for the album for a full composer breakdown.

Also, as a result of the Suikoden poll, KyleDunamis's nomination will stand.

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Originally Posted by David Deluxe

Nomination time, finally~

Artist(s): Osamu Kubota
Album: Granado Espada Soundtrack CD
Track Title: Temptation
Disc Number: 1
Track Number: 12
Year: 2006

Edit: Oh, this comment made me wonder: "Number 12 “Temptation” comes right of a Castlevania OST!!!!" This person just meant that the track sounds similar to the Castlevania Soundtracks, not that it actually is a Castlevania track, right? =/

Having never heard the Granado Espada OST, I have no idea. The phrasing makes it sound like it's just a comparison, though.

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Voting is closed.

1). [25] Uncharted Waters Online (Game Rip) - South african ocean
2). [22] REMASTERED TRACKS ROCKMAN ZERO Physis - Esperanto
3). [21/13] CRISS†CROSS ~ CROSS†CHANNEL Soundtrack Arrange Version - Airwaves
4). [21/11.5] Dune Spice Opera - Exxos - Revelation
5). [16] Transformation - Mahou Shoujo Ai 2 Full Arrange Album - title arrange "difference for you"
6). [14] Enthusia Professional Racing Original Soundtrack - Running To Horizon [OCEAN BRIDGE]
7). [9] TimeSplitters (Game Rip) - 1970 Chinese
8). [4] MechWarrior 2: 31st Century Combat (Red Book Audio) - Track 08

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Kaleb.G

I feel bad that "Revelation" didn't make the cut, as it was some good stuff. Oh well, it's not like the album doesn't have "Wake Up" to fall back upon for representation.

I got 2nd! Yays!

Both Revelation and Esperanto had late pushes to push them into/near contention.

I was hoping Airwaves would get a similar push to finally get it ahead of South african ocean, but alas.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?