[General Discussion] IT'S A PRICE TRAP! EVADE EVADE! Ugghh...

The Lion King (MD/Gen) don't remeber the price but it was dog cheap too: ... just don't ask.

Nightmare Creatures 2 (DC) around 10€ (bought before money change): Boy this game looked like it has coded in QBasic Plus it was dead boring.

Waverace (GC) 9.90€: Not a bad game, just not my style but I bought it anyway since it was so cheap... ended up hating it obviously.

Viewtiful Joe (GC) around 15€: The worst game I ever bought, not only is repetitive to no end (complete game walkthrough: dodge skull -> SlowRHOH) but it goes further by bastardarizing the awsome game genre that it side-scrolling beat-em-up. If that wasn't enough it ungodly hard! Worst game ever and not worthy 0.01€ (I don't care about you Viewtiful fans, so don't bother)

Jam it back in, in the dark.

I was also looking for one and I got VJoe once I found it out... after 30 minutes of play I knew I was up to something frustrating instead of fun.
The entire game is like this:
- Go near a baddie
- Dodge the skull (it show if the baddie will do a high or low attack)
- Hold R trigger (slow), press B (zoom) and then hold Y (punch)
- Repeat

This is the same for every enemy in the game be it a weak baddie or the final boss.... plud the game in insanely hard if you try to beat it 'freestyle', instead you have to learn the patterns of the bosses and baddies. And that's pretty much it, the enemy's AI is nothing but a set of repetitive patterns, even SoR1 has better AI (MisterX anyone?)
And that special power while dies loads of damage it's really annoying since the zoom will restrict the 'camera' to Joe, ie. Joe will occupy the whole screen and you won't be able to see anything asides him.

To make things worst the replay value is none, if you manage to finish it in normal (adults) dificulty you gain access to a even harder (!) dificulty (V-Rated) and to a new character, Sylvia, that instead of being stronger to even the odds with the new harder dificulty she is twice as weaker, each attack makes the double of the damage it did to Joe making the game twice as hard!
Every new character is weaker than Joe meaning there's no drive to use any of them, realisticly most of us won't even bother to unlock Sylvia left alone the other where you need to beat the game in hard and ultra hard!!!!!!! WTF were they thinking?

Unless you like insanely hard games based on strick, repetitive patterns VJoe isn't for you, stick with Comix Zone and Streets of Rage instead.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Qwarky

Right, because a member named devilmaycry thought it's crap (and who apparently thought it was too hard and felt it was repetitive because he kept using the same move over and over).

It's my opinion, he can get the game for 15€ and try it himself but I'm sure he'll regret it, at least I've regreted it. Better yet, rent it if he like's he buys if he doesn't he won't.
But that doesn't make my opinion any less valid, and especially to someone who owned both Comix Zone and the three Streets of Rage for Megadrive it's hard to swallow what Capcom did to a such awsome game genre.

Originally Posted by Qwarky

Or did that already happen with Vagrant Story? >=0

That game kinda sucks, the battle system is nice and all but the story made me sick in 3 minutes. I was playing and then... movie clip: "What? Again the wife and son gets killed and the dude gets traumatized and loses his memory or whatever?"
*Power Off*

:lolsign: No dice with me, go do a better story Square.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Qwarky

However likening Viewtiful Joe to more traditional scrolling beat 'em ups is pretty silly.

That would be like judging Shadow of the Colossus or Super Monkey Ball purely as typical 3D platformers or judging Resident Evil 4 in comparison to normal third person action games like Max Payne or something like Syphon Filter.

To me VJoe is a plain traditional side scrolling beat'em'up with the added gimmie kick of of Slow/Mach speed and Zoom. The game wouldn't be so bad if they had:
- Made the game easier and less repetitive, just give us the freedom to beat up the baddies the way we want by making all moves with a similar level of damage instead of the SlowRHOH >>>>>>>>>> any possible move
- Made the bosses fight way less based on patterns and far more based on randomness
- Drop the Zoom effect, you can't see anything but Joe with it on.
- Give us powerfull characters/powerups when you beat the normal mode instead of weak cheap characters.
- Bigger!! I want VJoe to be 4 times bigger! (28 levels goodness! Weee!)
- Decent soundtrack! King Charles III music was nice but that's about it.

That would make VJoe great putting it almost at the level of Comix Zone. Maybe on VJoe 3?

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Originally Posted by Monkey King

I think you just forfeited the right to have opinions of your own. Vagrant Story has one of the most intelligently written storylines of any RPGs, and you turned the thing off after 3 minutes? I mean, did you actually go anywhere in the game?

You are so stupid you warp space and time around you with the colossal mass of your stupidity. I now blame you for all the poor purchasing decisions I have made by altering the past and sucking the intelligence out of my head with your time-warping stupidity.

Dude, I don't have patience to listen to boring stories about a dude how lost his memory and saw his family being killed... I mean, couldn't it be more cliche? Damn I must have heard a story like that in 4232123 games, 22432 comics and 443234 movies.
The moment I saw that scene I powered off the console and returned the game (it was borrowed), yes the story further down maybe be the best ever but I just didn't feel like listening to it... probably related to my FF8 story trauma :lolsign:

Anyway if you payed attention to my posts you should know that I don't care about stories that much, IMHO most games shouldn't have a story to begin with, that's why I like old school so much, it's fun play with no nonse and the story resumes to a screen saying 'Press start button'. For one I bitched VJoe like hell but I haven't said a word about the story 'cause... well... I don't care, it's lame but a side scroller doesn't need a story it only needs a lot off ass kicking!! VJoe is one of those game that would've got away with a 'press start button' story.

Of course other games absolutely need a story like Shenmue (lame beggining, the cliche bad dude kills dad but god like after it) or MGS.


EDIT: Same goes to you Denicalis, I don't care about stories that much. You can argue that if I don't care then I have no problem playing Vagrant, but somehow seeing such a lame scenes just made me sick... argh looks like watching Titanic all over again. (I bet someone will come after me because of the Titanic movie reference.)

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by CelticWhisper

I also saw Metal Gear Solid 2 for $5.99 at a game store, but then remembered that I actually like playing games more than sitting through days-long radio conversations where people spew pseudo-political terms I couldn't give a shit about.

SIX HOURS SOLID.
[RADIO BOREDOM ACTION]

Fuck you Hideo Kojima, just fuck you.

Games should be more fighting, less yapping. MGS 2 story is great... but it should be resumed!! Before the last boss fight you have to endure 15 minutes of talk.
I stop reading it after 2 minutes and then after beating the baddie I went to GFaqs to read that part of the script :lolsign:


EDIT:

Originally Posted by Denicalis

Nah, mate. If you don't like stories, than stuff like VS really wouldn't grab you. It's very narrative driven. I thought you were slicing on the story of VS on the basis of you being a story fan. I disagree completely with you on the concept of stories in games, as they're my main reason for playing, but that's just personal taste, and there's no use squabbling over that.

Ah, no I'm not bashing Vagrat Story story, it might be good but I don't feel like going through it. Like I said in this post, MGS 2 story for one is great but they just fill the game with it, and after 3 or 4 minutes of it you (or at least I) not reading it anymore, I'll just skip it and read/print (on real paper) the script so I can read it when I can be bored to.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Denicalis

I'm a huge RP nerd. My collection is expansive and almost all RPG.

What's RP?

FELIPE NO

I almost dropped 10€ today for a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles game for GC but then I remembered this very topic and said: "Nah! I'm gonna read a review first..."
Turns out the game sucked ass, so thank you Spatula

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

I have another ripoff:

Nintendo Gamecube (49€): When I saw a GC being sold at that price I didn't even though 2 times... I should've. 2 moths later I'm already selling it because I've run out of games, litaraly. It's not like I'm with money problems or anything but there's simply no more games from the GC library that I want, I have 8 games and I'm done with it! From these 8 most of them are available for other consoles as well... d'oh I guess I've been had this time pretty bad.

How ya doing, buddy?

Jade Empire (Xbox): I've been had, AGAIN! I saw this game for 16€ and I thought: "I'm gonna read the review first". Off I went to IGN.com and saw that this game got 9.9 out of 10!!!!!

OMG I rushed and got the game..... well D'OH this game has excelent graphics and all but it filled with tech problems that make it near unplayable. The frame rate drops every 20 seconds, the loading times are LONG as in 30/40 seconds of loading! ARGH!
I alomost thought my XBox was broken!!
The music and sound are _far_ from great and I'm the kind of person who doesn't care much about the sound!!
And the yapping is immense, damn these morons talk for hours! You can sleep while watching a dialog and when you wake up they're not done yet. The controls and the combat are also far from great, it feels like Legacy of Kain... GONE BAD, WAY BAD!

Oh well I've learned my lessons:
1. You can't evade all price traps no matter how hard you try.
2. IGN sucks ass, Gamespot rated this game 8.4 out of 10, a much fair score.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Tills

So you bought an RPG made by Bioware and are complaining about there being a significant amount of dialog.

Ok.

DUDE!!!!!!
Significant amount of dialog? I haven't seen so much yapping in a game since Metal Gear Solid 2 and I've played Final Fantasy 6 to 9! Plus the dialog isn't even intresting... BORING!

Originally Posted by Max Biggs

$4.99, Time Stalkers for the Dreamcast. Wasn't worth the money because I only played the game for about three hours in one session before totally hating it. I guess I was excited to see an RPG for the Dreamcast, because I had long since beaten Shenmue. I think this was the only bad purchase I've ever made, but it was a pretty big one. What a horrid game.

I had that game, pretty lame indeed. And have you played Evolution for DC too? Boy that sucked ass, fortunly I had borrowed it instead of buying.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Infernal Monkey

You mean there's an RPG out there that has more dialogue than a two hour Hideo Kojima productions present a Hideo Kojima film starring a Mortal Kombat character created by Hideo Kojima for Hideo Kojima productions? Unpossible!

Belive me there's at least the same amount of yapping in Jade Empire than there is in MGS 2. Infact I would dare to say that if I didn't skip some portions of the dialog it would twice the yapping of MGS 2.

Originally Posted by Elixir

Well, at least it saves you from reading. So why isn't it an instant-win with you?

You mean skip all the dialog? Fisrt you can't skip all, second I wouldn't understand squat of the story.
What game devs need to learn is the art of resuming.

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