[Wii] Super Smash Bros. Brawl

In reference to what was said earlier, Luigi wasn't that bad of a character, at least in the first game. People at my College can one hit kill multiple people at once with his uppercut move since it has the potential to kill people at a very low percent. I'm unsure how he was in Melee though, but I do know he was more of a unique character than a copy. I also know unlike Mario and like previous Mario games, Luigi's jump was much higher than Mario's and also slid when he ran as described in the following video:

YouTube Video

Even though it might be late now, I was considering if I should stop looking at the main site for updates since it's also a large spoiler as they'll most likely reveal all of the unlockable characters and stages there, unless I'm mistaken.

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Originally Posted by Kanzaki

I didn't notice, but after you mention it, it's funny to read the update.

Heh, now that you mention it, reading the update has some hidden meanings.

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I don't think the attacks would be affected from the different costumes. So if there is Dr. Mario, I'm assuming he'd have the same stats.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

The Final Smash was old news, but never confirmed on the site I guess.

Also you guys are way too fast at posting the updates. I check the page nearly every hour, and the moment I notice it, someone as already posted the update. I want the glory. D:

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Originally Posted by AcerBandit

Hey Zeta26, guess who is in charge of this thread? Not you that's for sure so do stop member moderating or I'll start handing you some lovely infractions. =)

I think you misread his post.

Seeing as how they didn't have a special update for Christmas, one for New Years might also be expecting a bit much. Either way, it's been a while since we've had a real update, so I'm assuming (hoping) a decent one that might strike discussion will occur soon.

I was speaking idiomatically.

You have got to be kidding me. This looks pretty fun, actually. I'm just completely shocked they actually added The Dragoon from Kirby's Air Ride into this game. I'll wait until the translations comes out before I say more, but wow.

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Originally Posted by KCJ506

Rumor mill:

Someone posted this on Gamefaqs a few months ago




Super Smash Bros. Brawl Message Board - Super Smash Bros. Brawl Forum - Super Smash Bros. Brawl Discussion

Appearently, quite a few people saw the message when he posted it. Probably a coincidence, but it's still interesting. I'm posting it here just so we can see if this was actually a leak or not after the game is released.

Normally, I wouldn't have believed it. But after hearing this update, which shocked the hell out of me, and hearing that this guy predicted it beforehand, I'm just going to side on those other sources to. If it turns out they are false, I won't be ashamed of my expectations/assumptions.

Predicting this update is just too big of a coincidence. People have said that it was simply a nice shot in the dark since you needed to collect 3 pieces in the game itself to activate. In my eyes, predicting:
1. The Dragoon
2. The 3-item requirement
3. The crosshair (which isn't even in Air Ride.)
Too much of a wild shot. The other assumptions also seem pretty reasonable.

Falco - This is something I wouldn't have expected too much, especially with that "no clone character" thing. But, I haven't really played any starfox games, so I'm unsure how unique they can make him.

Ganondorf - I would have expected that, especially since Link and Zelda are in their Twilight Princess models. Giving Ganon a new set of moves wouldn't be very difficult at all. Also this is just a personal assumption, but his Final Smash would seem pretty obvious if it's anything related to a transformation.

Captain Falcon - I was leaning towards it as he's one of the Original Smash Bros.

Lucario replacing Mewtwo - I don't know much about these "new" Pokemon, but I've recently found out Lucario had a movie based on him, so it's a fair assumption, if not a Pokeball. Either way I didn't expect to see Mewtwo returning, even though I enjoyed his appearence in Melee.

Ness returning - I was inbetween this. He was an Original Smash Bro, but Lucas seemed to be in the game with many similar attacks. It would seem kind of weird if they gave Ness a new set of attacks, but at the same time he's original and was always very unique.

Zelda/Shiek - Expected. The only doubt I had about Shiek was Zelda being in her Twilight Princess model. Since I didn't play Twilight Princess, I wouldn't quite know if my following assumption is true, but I wouldn't think Zelda would have shown off many new attacks to replace the Down-B for Shield. Unless they make her turn into Shiek as a Final Smash, similar to Zero Suit Samus, but that wouldn't make much sense.

Final Destination - Duh.


Although now that I re-read it, it's possible he leaked some info and added some rumors of his own. Either way, these are all things, other than the Dragoon, that I either was neutral with or expected anyway.

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I would only think Dr. Mario would be in it as an alternate costume, similar to Wario's situation. Paper Mario seems to be a much larger jump in comparison, and would be difficult to give him the same moves. Paper Mario doesn't seem to be uniquely popular enough compared to any other of the Mario series to have him become a completely unique character as well.

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Originally Posted by trackjacket

Why should Paper Mario need the same move-set as regular Mario? The two are different enough in their respective games (Super Mario and Paper Mario) that it would make sense. Problem is, I dunno what exactly would work for Paper Mario's move-set; though, I'm sure something could be arranged.

The moveset was a reference to the alternate costume possibility. As his own character, we spark the same question involving what moves he could be given. Afterall, most of Mario's moves (Fireball, cape, jump attack) come from when he was still 2D. That leads me to believe Paper Mario would most likely pass at a clone at best. But clones in Brawl... doesn't sound too likely, does it?

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Originally Posted by StarmanDX

Not the best use of logic there. You haven't actually played a Paper Mario game, have you?

Nope. I'm going to hope and assume from that statement there that he has a large amount of skills that can apply in Brawl. At the same time, I still don't see duplicates of the same character happening other than just costumes.

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Locking this thread and making another one? That's pointless. If you want to avoid spoilers, just avoid the thread entirely; it would have been locked anyway.

If you don't have enough will power to stop checking this thread, you won't have enough will power to prevent checking the new thread/Wikipedia/GameFAQs.

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Unlike the person who predicted the Dragoon,

Spoiler:

this list contradicts the semi-popular rumor of Lucario replacing Mewtwo.

It also ends most rumors for the better, such as return of Ness, Marth, and even Mr. Game and Watch. Ness is probably the only one I might have expected, despite Lucas being present.

Megaman is also taking a huge step, but he's a very popular character even in Japan, so it's possible he's received a lot of requests and wasn't revealed yet since Sonic was a more popular request and would probably satisfy the fans long enough before they're surprized by unlocking him or directly before the game's release. Not saying I believe it, just acknowledging its possibility.

Either way, I don't completely believe that list.

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It'd be somewhat interesting if he received powers from the last player he KO'd.

I was speaking idiomatically.

The only thing there that I haven't really thought about was the Mii. That would be fun, but the list itself doesn't seem too credible.

Snakes Final Smash looks pretty fun. I just wonder how much time the player has and how fast the rounds can be shot.

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It seems he's useless withoout his Pikmin. That combined with the fact that his Pikmin can wander off seem to make him a pretty complex one to use. I wish I can understand the intensity of his attacks, otherwise he might be considered a "Dan" or Melee "Ice Climbers". Which probably means I'll use him even more, but he's still strangely interesting.

EDIT: Also I'm completely oblivious to this, but would they delay us even if the Japan release isn't delayed?

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Gosh, I wouldn't have expected that delay rumor to actually be true. From what I've seen, they were nearly complete if they had went with the original release date.

I hope this doesn't turn into another one of those multiple delay situations.

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Originally Posted by Zeta26

Right here. Incase you haven't seen it yet.

I think he meant an amazing update to make the pain of the delay seem less significant. But I could be wrong.

I also do find it odd that our delay is 4x as long as the Japan delay. I wonder what the rational reasoning for that is.
Either way, the time gap in which the games were released were already wide enough, but this just kills it. Unless you manage to avoid the internet and friends, which you probably won't, you're going to get spoilers one way or another. Whether it be someone forgets to use a spoiler, your curiousity ends up killing you, you hear people talking about it in school, you google something and Brawl pops up with new info for some reason, et cetera. I know there's no way I can last over a month without getting spoilers.

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Nice to see an actual Shiek scan. I wonder what Final Smash she could possibly have.

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I think you can hurt people will Fly somehow, since Fly is an actual HM techinque in Pokemon.

As for how many characters we'll have, the current ones I'm thinking about are:
Mewtwo/Lucario (one or the other)
Captain Falcon

Well I can't really think of any others at the moment that should definetly make it in. I wouldn't think we'd just be looking at 27 characters with this massive delay anyway.

EDIT: As an added note, Shiek's eyes look pretty hot in this style. Her needles also looks intensely long and sharp. It seems like her overall gameplay will be the same as it was in Melee, which isn't bad news I suppose.

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I completely forgot about Jigglypuff. That character should make a return as well. I want to say Luigi, but there are many rumors against them. I wouldn't like the idea of any of the original 12 being excluded from Brawl.

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Interesting how the main characters not being mentioned are the secret characters from the first game. Just coinsidence? I would think (hope) not.

I was speaking idiomatically.

^ I thought the same thing when I saw the pic.

I would understand Roy being cut out, even though he's my favorite of the duo, but I do see a possibility in Marth's return. He and Roy seemed to stand out the most compared to the other Smash Bros when I first unlocked them.

I wouldn't imagine Jigglypuff being let go. Jiggly seems very popular from what I've noticed, even though her skills are often risky. Perhaps it's just the people I know that noticed Jigglypuff, but I still wouldn't think Jigglypuff would be cut out.

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I've seen quite a few leaked lists in this thread. Which one are you guys referring to?

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Sonic & Tails would make a nice combination similar to the Ice Climbers.

I have wanted Knuckles, but that might have been too much to ask for. I also wonder what type of alternate costumes Sonic might have.

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