Harry Potter and the Last Book (Now with Discussion of Books 1-6!!)

Originally Posted by knkwzrd

This is an oft-discussed possibility?

I think he probably meant often discussed possibility.

Originally Posted by Zephos

I remember having this same hypothetical discussion about John Williams and whether he'd die before Episode III or the next Harry Potter. I for one find it a pointless thing to ask. What would happen? People would grieve. Then they would move on. Just like every other death for every single other person on the planet. We don't what-if them, do we?

John Williams dying is a little bit different than J.K Rowling dying. If you're going to liken it to anything from Star Wars, the only thing that would be adequate would be picking George Lucas, as it would have been much harder for Episode III to be made without him. Just like Harry Potter would obviously not be able to continue if Rowling dies.

On Potter, though. There isn't really too much to discuss, besides that W.O.M.B.A.T. test posted on her site the other day. Considering the book won't be out for another year at the least.

But hey, I'm all for theorizing if anyone wishes.

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I say no spoilers for book six, either. But since someone above said he's still reading it, I'll do it.

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I don't know, either. It seems like there is so much that Jo would have to fit in the last book, that Harry might not have time to be back at Hogwarts.

Let me know if I am wrong. The horcruxes, as Dumbledore thought are:

The Diary
Marvolo's Ring
Slytherin's Locket
Hufflecup's Goblet
Something of Ravenclaw's
Something of Gryffindor's

Now, two of those (Ring and Diary) and possibly a third (Locket) are already taken care of. To me, it would seem like it would probably take a lot of work for Harry to find the goblet and figure out what the other two are. Considering Dumbledore hadn't been able to find them all the time that he was looking, I don't think Harry would be able to find them all by himself and go full time to school as well.

I don't like to think like that, though. It just wouldn't be the same without Hogwarts of some sort. Besides, what would Harry do if he didn't finish his schooling? Maybe we should take this as a hint that there won't be a need for the schooling...

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Originally Posted by Helloween

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I thought one of the Horcruxes was Nagini the snake.

Ah yes, you are correct.

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It was something from either gryffindor or ravenclaw and Nagini.

And yes, RAB is supposedly Regulus Black.

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Also remember all the things that happened leading up to the time that Harry and Dumbledore arrived on the Astronomy tower. Assuming that the only people to enter the cave besides Riddle and R.A.B., were Harry and Dumbledore, how could Pettigrew, or Snape controlling him, know how to get to the horcrux? Considering that it has been said that the only person that was thought to be more powerful than Riddle, at the peak of his power, was Dumbledore. I would think that no one would have been able to get past those protections besides Dumbledore. If it had to be Dumbledore in the cave with Harry and seeing as how they never left each others sight since they left the Castle, how could it have been Pettigrew? I don't think that theory makes much sense.

I am inclined to think that Dumbledore died on purpose, having told Snape to do what he had to do to stay undercover with Riddle. Nothing would help Riddle decide that Snape was really on his side like killing Dumbledore would. I think that Snape actually respected Dumbledore and it was terribly hard for him to do what he had to do, hence why Dumbledore was pleading for him to follow through with it. Also, the way that he gets very upset when Harry calls him a coward at the end is also highly suspicious. Why would Snape care so much if it had not pained him to do what he had just done? If it was not him tawho was being the bravest and had the hardest task assigned to him?

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Originally Posted by Helloween

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but remember that Snape is known for logic, as shown by his contribution to the protection of the Philosipher's stone in the first book. The challange that Voldemort had set up in the caves for them was in essence the same a Snapes challange when going for the philosipher's stone, only harder because of it's obvious simplicity. I think Snape would have been able to figure it out.

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Ok, let's say that Snape really could have the intelligence to get through it. That still leaves the problem of Dumbledore actually being Pettigrew. How did Snape replace him with Pettigrew? I would assume polyjuice potion and there in lies the fault. Polyjuice Potion only t an hour before the user turns back into the themselves. I would assume that in the time it took for them to:

Have their conversation before they left.
Go through the cave.
Fly back to the castle.
Have the conversation with Malfoy.
The entire fight with the Death Eaters after Dumbledore fell and was then discovered.

I would be inclined to think that more than an hour had passed. Also, if Dumbledore was still alive, what possible reason could he have had for faking his death and leaving everyone to fight and possibly die?

Also, why Pettigrew? Dumbledore doesn't seem like the person that allow illegal dark arts and the murder of a person like that. Also, both the Death Eaters (supposedly with the exception of Regulus) and the Order had no idea about the horcruxes/where Dumbledore was going, so we have no reason to believe Snape knew of the horcruxes existance in the first place. He, just like all the other Death Eaters were just as surprised when Riddle was able to come back alive.

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Originally Posted by Murdercrow

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You both FAIL. Two words: Unbreakable Vow. Snape had to prevent Draco from fucking up his mission (killing Dumbledore) and carrying it out for him if need be. How is Snape purposely killing the wrong person and letting Dumbledore live NOT failing to hold up the vow? Since Snape didn't die while fleeing Hogwarts, and presumeably afterwards, Snape had to have killed Dumbledore.

I say we get rid of spoilers, is everyone ok with that ?

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I had always thought that the Unbreakable Vow was to do whatever he could to protect Draco. I haven't read it so it came out, though, so I am probably mistaken. Actually, having just looked it up, you are correct and Snape was to take up Draco's task if failed to do so. The thing is, though, that Draco never technically failed to complete his task. Sure, he was taking his time and it looked as if he was putting down his wand, but the opportunity for him to complete it was still there. It also seemed as if Snape had no idea what Draco's task was when he had made the vow, either.

Thinking about the Vow, though, Changes some things. It adds another dimension to Snape's thinking that I had not thought about. It seems more simple to think that he had to do it or else face death himself. I just prefer to think that I am wrong about Snape and there was a reason Dumbledore trusted him.

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See, that's what I think could have happened, too. If Snape really was on the Order's side, he would have told Dumbledore and they would have figured out a way to get it to work for them. Still, that's assuming Snape really is trustworthy. Way to make it amgibuous Jo.

On another note, did anyoen take the W.O.M.B.A.T. test on JKR's site? Anyone think that the test will have any significance to the seventh book? Maybe something Harry can take that will allow him to use magic outside of school even if he doesn't graduate from Hogwarts? The things that she puts behind that door usually have some sort of purpose.

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