Lawyers going after fast food...

This has been happening for years. Where have you been?

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by PattyNBK

Like I keep saying, a cheeseburger is a cheeseburger.

Just like a cigarette is a cigarette, huh? There all exactly the same no matter what they are made of or how they are prepared. Yup, Yup.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by christinajon

Putting something in the microwave for a few minutes does not equal cooking in my household, but maybe that's just us.

True that.

I can bring a Healthy Choice to work and cook it in the microwave there. How is that considered 'home cooking'. There's absolutely no cooking involved.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Whether or not you are right is beside the point. Mostly what people are arguing about is how your arguments are inept and your reasoning is biased and flawed.

This topic is not about Big Tabacco, why do you keep bringing them up? Whether or not fast food is addictive (there are more than physical addictions, you know) is not affected in any way by the actions of tobacco companies. Because it is the lesser of two evils does not remove it from blame.

The main people who eat fast food are people who are unable to prepare food for themselves or their family for whatever reason, be it time/money etc. The companys that do this know that they will continue to make money by putting addatives into their food that will make their food generally more appealing, (and generally less nutritous) and serving products of an inferior quality in order to be able to sell their products at cheaper prices and thus make it easier for people under somekind of restraint to submit to buying their product. They know what are doing and have become very proficent at keeping their customers hooked in someway.

Do you think it is morally right for a company to abuse its power and take advantage of people who have no other option much of the time?

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by PattyNBK

He beat me to it. Besides, a lot of people here are greatly exaggerating the "unhealthiness" of fast food.

Greatly exaggerated unhealthyness? For someone who claims to be informed about nutrition, you seem to be ignorant about what is unhealthy for you. Need I point you to some nutritional guides for some of the most popular fast food chains?

McDonalds nutrition facts


Lets say you order a Quarter Pounder with Cheese meal, arguably one of the most popular items on the menu. With Fries and a Coke, your looking at 45g of fat and 1100 calories. A similar meal at Burger King is even worse, totaling to 67g of fat and 1320 calories. How can you possibly say that this is healthy for you, in any way what-so-ever?

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I dunno about you, but if I had to pick between starving and eating unhealthy food, I'd eat the unhealthy food, because it's better than nothing.

This is exactly my point. What if the only reasonable choice to make for a person is to eat fast food? They knowingly provide food that is subpar in quality and nutritional value without disgreard to the effects that it can have on its customers at such a convenience and value that people are unable to stop the use of the product. They are taking advantage of the people who either have the option of eating here or eating nothing. Does this sound like the moral high road to you?

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The reason I keep bringing up cigarette companies is because that's what these lawyers have done. The lawyers claim that fast food companies are responsible in the same way that cigarette companies are responsible, claiming that fast food companies somehow made their products physically addictive. That is a blatant lie and it is very irresponsible for them to spread such false information. That's what this entire topic is about, so I don't see how I can't keep mentioning the comparison when that's what the lawyers are doing!

Are you an idiot.

You keep saying lawyers as if they are one group of people united together to fight the same cause. You do know that the lawyers who are representing the anti-tobacco lobbyists are probably not the same ones that are running suits against fast food companies. Contrary to what you are saying, they may not have the same opinion or are any at all regarding tobacco use. Thus any references or comparisons to actions brought against tobacco companies is a seperate issue and not relevant to the current issue.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by RacinReaver

Fast food has only been around for, at most, fifty years. How did all of these people which are currently stuck on fast food with absolutely no other food options survive prior to the growth of fast food?

The world is a much different place than it was fifty years ago. Many household had woman who stayed home to take care of the children and were there to make home cooked meals. Now a days you have both parents working jobs, running kids around to various sports and activities. You have people who juggle school and full time jobs, who adhere to fast food restaurant because they are much easier and convenient than making themselves bag lunches every day. I know personally that when my days consisted of school related activities from 8am-12pm and work from 4pim-12am, I would end up having to eat some type of fast food during the day. I just didn't have time to cook myself anything.

I would venture a guess that, for the majority of people, this was not the case 50 years ago like it is now.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by PattyNBK

The worst thing there are the fries, though. You cut the fries and you cut most of the unhealthy stuff. Fries are not physically addictive. If people are so concerned about health, they should stop eating the junk food like that. Oh, and you do realize that fries cooked at home in a Fry Daddy (gotta compare similar methods of preparation after all) are almost as unhealthy, right?

Basically, no one is forcing you to stuff your face with tons of fries. Eat a double cheeseburger. Get a filet-o-fish. Maybe try the chicken sandwich. Stay away from the junk food, and it's much better for you then.

I gave you the nutritional facts for a reason. You should actually take a look at them before you start spouting off inaccurate words. You keep saying that the fries are the most unhealthy part of the meal and that is untrue. A double cheeseburger at McDonalds has more calorie and fat content than the medium fries that come with the meal. And the Filet-O-Fish and the McChicken sandwich are nearly the same as the french fries.

This is the problem with your arguments. All of your statements are pure opinionated bullshit and every one is calling you on it. If your going to make claims here, back it up or else you will get called on for it.

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Hmmm. So let me get this straight. You think fast food companies are responsible for all this because people don't know how to stop "ordering fries with that" and can't manage your time properly to make their own food? If you're running out of time and don't like it, make time. If you don't overflow your schedule, you won't have these problems.

So are you that people who have to work full time, go to school, take care of the kids and take care of their house should just give up their lives in order to be able to cook their families meals? What do you think that they should just give up in order to cook? Maybe the shouldn't do their laundry? Maybe they should switch to part time work? I know i'm being dramatic, but I give back what I get. I suppose they might have time to heat up some sphagettios.(i.e. home cooking.)

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You asked if this was the moral high road for fast food to offer this. I do believe there is absolutely nothing immoral about it. Let me pose this question to you, since you have so little time that you're "forced" to eat fast food. Actually, let me pose you two questions. These questions aren't actually directed at you specifically, but apply to everyone who is supposedly "forced" to eat fast food:

1. Why do you order junk sides? Why not just stick to healthier menu items? If you like fries, then it's your choice, and it's not their fault.

2. What would you do if every fast food company disappeared tomorrow? Would you starve? If not, then if you want to avoid fast food, just pretend that their restaurants don't exist, and do whatever you would be forced to do in such a situation.

Please stop quoting forced. I don't rememer ever once saying that these companies were forcing anyone to eat fast food.

1. People will order value meals because they are cheaper and more cost efficent for the amount of food than buying items seperatlely. And like I pointed out above, fries are hardly the most unhealthy part of the meal.

2. Like I have been saying the entire time, it is about conveniece. It would be much more inconvenient to do any of these other options. People who are rushed for time and money will always choose the option that is easiest and most convenient for themselves. Fast food companies know this well and market towards these types of people who would be very inconvenienced by having to go to the store and make their own meals. Again, what should these people cut out of their lives? Sleep? Showering? They are taking advantage of their customers by knowingly serving products of subpar quality and unhealthy nutrition in such a way that many of their cusotmers see no other way than eat there.

Maybe not something that they should be legally held responsible for, but ehtical and moral? I think not.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by PattyNBK

I have backed it up. It's not my fault you haven't read the very nutritional chart you linked to. Sure, those products have more calories, but they also have more nutrition. The only thing besides calories that fries have is Vitamin C, and very little of that compared to the number of calories; the meats, on the other hand, have several things going for them that fries do not, especially protein and calcium. So either read the information in that link before claiming that I don't, or if you already do, please check out more than just the calories and fat columns.

You really are dumb.

Like people have already said before me, these foods are in no way healthy. You can find nutritional value in anything if you look hard enough.

You can't be seriously telling me that the little bit of protein that is provided from a double cheeseburger makes it healthy?

1140 grams of sodium? 55% of the daily allowance for saturated fats? That's like saying we should all order milkshakes instead because they provide us with a moderate amount of calcium. There is no way that any intelligent person could ever argue that McDonalds foods are in anyway healthy for you.

BAD QUALITIES>good qualities

One litte thing does not redeem it's obvious nutritional faults.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?