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Originally Posted by Qube
Render, html and css are just as much a part of webdesign as php is. php outputs html files, so you still need to know how to make it work even if it's going to be powered by php.
Or....are you saying that you wouldn't want those classes because you already have skills in that area. It's great to reread things lol.
PHP is best learned on one's own, starting projects from scratch. I've always found it's the only way to truly learn it, because it has so many functions and variations on how to do things, that if you only use the methods they teach in a school, you won't be as skilled as if you learned all the ins and outs, and when it's best to use the different techniques.
Maybe I'm just biased because I got nothing out of any programming classes I have ever been in.
On another note, I've also been contemplating starting a web design business sometime, however I tend to prefer working on the guts of a site, not the design part. As much as I can do alright in that department, I just prefer to be playing with the database and internal code stuffs. We should talk. 
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I'm all for self-teaching, but I started with HTML when they taught it to me in my first year of junior high (sup 1997). It was just a stepping stone that lead me in the right direction. I would recommend an introductory class to anyone who is thinking of getting into web design. I just kept on with it because I thought it was cool to put something where everyone could see it. And by something, I mean lame-ass Final Fantasy sites.
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Originally Posted by Qube
On another note, I've also been contemplating starting a web design business sometime, however I tend to prefer working on the guts of a site, not the design part. As much as I can do alright in that department, I just prefer to be playing with the database and internal code stuffs. We should talk. 
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On Friday, I said to my Javascript instructor: "I pretty much hate the grit of the programming for the web. I do HTML and CSS and I'm an art student; I'm somewhere in between programmer and artist. I just need to team up with a back-end coder and my web business will be whole."
I'm pretty serious on starting my own company. That FissionCore site design is for the "company" I co-run/own whatever for web hosting. I've just been bogged down with life shit (college and work) to get around to building on what we have. I had planned on including web design as a side thing to get money, because I'm the site designer and the other 2 are programmers. Our company runs itself because we break even on our server costs and we don't get new clients. Nothing ever happens lol. I'm itching to make some money through web design. My email is MSN is
needforspeed_89@hotmail.com if you wanna chat sometime
How ya doing, buddy?