[News] MS sued over idiots misusing their consoles

Originally Posted by Angel Of Light

I don't want to speak for Shin and sound out of line but usually when a person puts down something gaming news related it should be a lot more than just the news article in itself.

That's giving speculative a bit too much credit, since speculative didn't even post the article, but a link to the article.

See, what I think Angel of Light is getting at, and rightly so, is quite simply: where's the content? Someone suing someone else in America is hardly news, not least of all when the someone getting sued is Microsoft (or any other big company really). Where's the start of any discussion? What is the point of posting the news? I'm willing to bet your only point in posting the news story was to go "Lol, M$ getting sued". Hilarious.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

The thing is, yeah Microsoft should have possibly made more to inform users that moving the console whilst a disc is spinning was likely to result in scratching, since they knew about it. However, you only need to apply a small amount of common sense to work out that perhaps re-orienting a powered on console with a disc spinning inside is probably not going to end well for any of the parts involved. I wonder how many people would happily stick a disc in a PC and then fuck about with standing it up and laying it down whilst all powered on? My money is on not many.

So yeah, this definitely smacks of someone thinking they can make themselves a quick buck, and some idiot lawyers along for the ride/publicity.

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Originally Posted by Vampiro

But hey, that pretty much sums up the 360 console though.

Say what now? Care to explain what you mean by that.

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Originally Posted by Pangalin

Isn't the entire argument for console platforms over the PC about how simple and idiot-proof they are? Sure, your average PC gamer wouldn't pick up their machine and shake it like a maraca, but they wouldn't pay $10/month for the "privilege" of playing their games online either.

Spoken like a true PC-gamer fanboy.

Of course, all those World of Warcraft players, and City of Heros players, and Warhammer players, they sure don't pay $10 a month to play their online games do they.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Pangalin

I'm sorry, are you comparing a subscription fee for individual MMOs to a console-inherent fee that applies to every game on the platform? That's cute.

I'm comparing gamers choosing to pay a regular fee to play their games online to gamers choosing to pay a regular fee to play their games online. It's a big leap I grant you, I don't know what I was thinking.

I was speaking idiomatically.

How about I update your little analogy there so it's actually accurate.

Your DVDs have different elements of content, there's the film and then there's the extra.

The first DVD player would accept two kinds of DVD. The first DVDs wouldn't require any extra payment to play, they would happily play the film and extras all the time. However, the second kind of DVD would require regular payment to watch either the film or the extras.

The second DVD player would accept online one kind of DVD and it would always play the film, regardless. You'd even have access to some of the extras. However, to get full access to the extras you'd need to pay a regular fee.


See the dumb assumption you're making here Pang is that I agree with MS charging for Xbox Live Gold. I don't, not really, I think it's kind of cheeky. However, I wasn't the one who made the claim that PC gamers wouldn't be so dumb as to pay regularly for the privilege of playing their games online. Try grasping the actual point before you get on your high horse.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Pangalin

What the fuck were you arguing with me for then, you silly man.

"A PC gamer wouldn't be stupid enough to pay to play games"

"Of course not, not like those WoW, CoH, WAR players heh"

"*some shit about DVD players and missing the point*"

The point: you continue to miss it.

FELIPE NO

Your argument would work if the Xbox 360 required an Xbox Live Gold subscription. Except it doesn't. Even so, that's not where my argument lies. See how I summarised it above. You made a stupid claim, I called you on it, and then you are the one that went off on this retarded tangent about how the Xbox requires money. Except it doesn't.

Keep going though, I'm impressed with how well you've managed to keep missing the point.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by Vampiro

Eventually it'll be caught up to XBL, though until sales start really picking up I doubt MS is all that worried.

Care to explain how PSN, being free and all, is going to be picking up sales.

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But still, PSN is quality online.

Wrong. It's acceptable online some of the time, but it's rarely quality online. Every time they release any sort of big update that a lot of people will be grabbing you can practically see the PSN grind to a halt. True, it is getting better, but it still lacks structure, reliability and the ability to deal with scaling.

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Long ago I would've said the lack of a headset being included with the console itself was a drawback, but fuck, 2/3 of the people in a random online game don't even have theirs plugged in over XBL.

Wrong again. I'd love to know what corner of Xbox Live you've found where 2/3rds of the people aren't using mics and talking shit or absolute nonsense.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by LeHah

I've yet to run into one of these people while playing Quantum Of Solace or Left 4 Dead (though I suspect Ill run across them on L4D soon)

Who would have thought, amongst all the no people you'd find playing Quantum of Solace online there would also be no idiots. If you try playing games that more than handful of people might be playing online you'll quickly meet more than a few morons. And it's nothing to do with the genre of game it is, unless you consider 'popular' to be a genre.

And before you try to make the claim that L4D is popular, yes it is... on the PC. Given Valve's very obvious lack of caring for the 360 (hello TF2) I doubt there's that many L4D 360 players, and certainly not randoms.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Of course, I happen to have played a lot of games on my Xbox, this must make me an idiot. Thanks for that sly dig Shin. And I'm not suggesting that there aren't plenty of sane people on Xbox Live, there are quite a few. In fact I've got playing with and chatting to some really nice people on there in various games. However, there's also a lot of idiots that scream, sing, talk nonsense, hurl random abuse, etc, etc. The fact you talk about having to mute a lot of people would seem to confirm that.

I will agree that straight co-op modes seem to produce a lot less random screaming/nonsense-talking than versus modes. But really, I don't see how you guys are claiming that there aren't a load of idiots on Xbox Live (or any element of the Internet really, I mean just look at the shit that has been happening in Sony's Home).

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