Research suggests men are clueless when it comes to women.

I guess I'm kinda guilty about not being able to read signals. But I more just don't notice them then misread them. And it's not like women are really any better. Basicly any girl I've ever liked never noticed inspite of how obvious I would make it. I mean I'd be so obvious that anyone else observing us would notice but the girl wouldn't. I think maybe people don't notice those kind of signals if it's not someone they're interested in? I think they'd also probably more likely to misread friendly signals if they're coming from someone they like to. There are just way too many factors that this "research" doesn't take into consideration.

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Originally Posted by Sassafrass

Why should we cater to your needs when other men make an actual effort to communicate with us?

Honestly, I think whether male or female. Everyone should be more direct when they like someone. Or for that matter dislike someone. Inspite of the fact that I've never gotten a date, not a single girl ever gave me a real no. They always came up with some way to avoid answering. Naturally I understand when they're doing this now, but I didn't used to.

But seriously if you like someone, why should the guys be the only ones to say something? Are women so obsessed with the notion that guys have to ask, that they're willing to go unnoticed and miss out on someone they liked? Meanwhile the guy they like might be going around asking out women that have no interest in him.

I've learned of girls that supposedly liked me, but I always find out when it's too late for the knowledge to be of any use to me.

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Originally Posted by Denicalis

You think -they're- the problem. They aren't.

You're putting words in my mouth. I never said they're the problem. I just don't understand why girls are so unwilling to be upfront about things sometimes. If a girl doesn't want to date a guy, she should flat out tell him no rather then coming up with an excuse. Do they really think it's gonna hurt my feelings that bad if they're honest?

The only time I ever blame the girl is when they seem to have very bad judgement when it comes to who to date. Like a girl my friend liked who decided to go back to her ex boyfriend. An ex boyfriend who mooched on her for 2 years with no job, cheated on her, kicked down her door while drunk, and threatened to kill her. I don't care how good the guy is at "Playing the game" or whatever you want to call it. A girl has to be really stupid to go back to a guy that's got a high probability of murdering her.

Originally Posted by Denicalis

You're terrified of women, you have no confidence and you clearly aren't aggressive personalities. Now why, I wonder, would women have a problem finding a proper way to flirt with you? Maybe because women don't like spineless fucking ponces. Show a little goddamn initiative. Smile, tell a fucking JOKE. FLIRT FOR GOD'S SAKES. Do it for fun. I do it all the time. I flirt with my roommate when I get up in the morning, I flirt with people I work with, I flirt with my friend's girlfriends. Why? So that when I meet a girl I honest to god want to plow, I can turn on the charm like it's second nature. Because after a while, it bloody well is.

Now you're making assumptions. I flirt with girls, I tell jokes to girls. I have no problem getting girls to laugh. I've even had girls give me some really unexpected compliments. But the minute they realize I'm actually interested in them, they avoid me as though I had the plague or something.

I'm not sure how much of what you said was targeted at me. But since you quoted me, I felt the need to respond.

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Originally Posted by a lucca

Darkmageozzie, blow your defensive bullshit out your ass. You have no right to say that anyone's putting words in your mouth when you go on at length about how women have some sort of entitlement issue that they won't flat out say the word 'no' when you ask them out. When you say things like 'women are obsessed with making men ask them out', that says that you're a coward and you've never impressed a woman enough that she would want to spend quality time with you. Reading your posts, I don't blame them one bit.

You're an asshole who thinks you deserve a girlfriend because you can make nice with broads now and then. Your example of 'the kind of women you blame' being a classic Nice Guy strawman made me laugh. What do you blame her for, that she's in her romantic relations willingly? I don't think anyone doesn't, but look at how defensive you get when someone blames you for being in your romantic relations willingly. What, you're not good enough to take your own medicine? Quit with the loser denial and maybe you'll be on the first step in becoming someone tolerable enough to be around.

Was that direct enough for you?

Ouch.

For the record I only mentioned the guys having to ask girls out thing, because I know plenty of girls who wouldn't ask a guy out because it's supposedly not socially acceptable for a girl to ask a guy out. And honestly I've always hated people who worry about what society thinks. Unless you're doing something that really is wrong, who cares what society thinks?

But no, honestly I never really ment that a girl should ask me out. It was more of a general statement.

As for the saying no thing. I only ever bring that up because at least two girls, who I cared alot about gave me answers that led me to believe they'd date me later. And I didn't realize till suddenly they were dating someone else that they had no intention of doing so. Why would someone do that? Especially to someone they claim is their friend? I'd realize this kinda crap right away now, but there are plenty of guys who wouldn't.

That's about all I have to say, because even if I wanted to argue with you, which I don't... I know I'd just end up looking like a fool.

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