LA approves a $39 million dollar enclosure for elephants

Originally Posted by Gecko3

Blah blah blah, I'm an asshole

If you're such a philanthropist, why aren't you working in a soup kitchen? People who piss and moan about how the homeless or some other unvoiced minority need to get over themselves and actually go out and do something about the shit they complain about; those of us with brains don't tolerate your crap.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by a_priori

Won't pass up an opportunity to kick someone in the balls, eh LeHah?

Only if the douche who started this thread won't pass on an opportunity to talk like a moron.

Originally Posted by a_priori

The question still stands whether that investment was really worthwhile.

Oh, what did YOU want to do with the money? Buy yourself a house and a car and a boat and some hookers? Come on man, anyone can think of any number of things that the money SHOULD have been spent on. How about tossing it to the government to help out the national debt even slightly? How about sending it overseas to starving people? Or cancer research? But this guy whines that it should've been spent to help *him* out. He's just as guilty of being a dumbass as his apparent distaste for housing animals.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by El Ray Fernando

...but if its going to continually require funding from the taxpayer it doesn't sound too good an idea.

Yeah, how dare the government spend my tax dollars! Especially if it does me no good!

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

$39 million for an enclosure is a lot of money.

Oh, thank you, Alan Greenspan. Care to draw us a fucking pie chart now?

39 million is a lot of money, yeah. But I'd rather it have a fucking use than have it end up in some shitty public restoration project in an attempt to being "arts to inner city youths". The elephants would appreciate that more than some idiot kids who'd spray paint all over the newly painted walls of some inner city housing project.

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

I just can't fathom it costing so fucking much.

Skipping the obvious joke that you SHOULD know what it costs to house an elephant given your size ... how would you know how much it costs? It's not like we all have gazelles and shit running through our yards or that we have experience with housing large wild animals. We can't quantify the cost of the housing against anything because, well, what experience do you have to speak of?

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

Are you seriously arguing that $39 million dollars on three elephants who are sick and old is a good investment of taxpayer dollars?

Yes.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

The elephants should really be sent to a sanctuary.

Oh, you mean like the ones in Africa where the poachers are smart enough to cross the sanctuary lines and kill the animal before dragging it back into "free" territory?

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

I know you're not big on public services and all, but I don't know why you're assuming it would go to a public youth house or some shit.

Well, I don't think much of urban lifestyle, especially in a fuckcave like LA. No one has any respect for anything out there. I mean, yeah, Connecticut has some fucking issues but we keep our problems in Bridgeport.

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

No, seriously. If every enclosure in a zoo cost even $30 million to build, it would costs BILLIONS by the time you got done with every enclosure in a zoo. And I am pretty sure that most zoos renovate their enclosures fairly regularly.

Thats the reasons zoos across the nation are closing with alarming regularity. The costs to maintain are going up every year and they're forced to resorting to money drives like they're PBS.

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

But I really doubt it would be so costly.

Obviously, the zoo disagrees with you. And between you and me, I'd trust the zoo more. I wouldn't ask a plumber how to get the best cut of meat when I have a butcher shop just down the road.

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

Logic, my dear, says that if elephants... are getting sickly, growing "elderly," and have the potential to suffer the diseases and ailments mentioned in the article, that it would be BEST to send them to a sanctuary in order for them to live out the rest of their lives as best as possible.

I already pointed out what the problem is with your sanctuary idea earlier.

And I'm sure that when these old elephants die, the zoo will find a new use for the facility. It's not like they'll just leave it empty.

Originally Posted by El Ray Fernando

I'm not talking about such a project in the sense of direct effect to the tax payer, what I'm trying to convey is the sense cost control and long term financial sustainability. Ok it will cost $39 million but that can quickly become $50 million or $75 million.

HOLY SHIT DO YOU HAVE A DEGREE IN ECONOMICS

Seriously though. Why are you moaning about this? I'm sure Sass can atest to the dumbass traffic construction thats been going on in Boston for the last 10+ years. How much money has that been driven up since it's inception?

I think your worry about wasting money is well-founded because the government has a habit of doing that - but I think this is the wrong case to bring it up in.

Originally Posted by El Ray Fernando

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Like I said its ok if the enclosure can sustain itself through charitable donations and visitor numbers, but what if five years down the line it struggles financially and the council decide to stop any funding because its sucking up so much tax payer money resulting in its closure.

So... you want money from the public to support this and not... money from the public?

Originally Posted by El Ray Fernando

A prime example being that of the Scottish Parliment building

I can't really atest to something I don't know anything about - but it stands to reason that a Parliment building is probably pretty important to build.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by a_licenwondrland

Is it really so shocking that he doesn't see the inanity in spending $39 million on three elephants?

Yeah because, you know, animals shouldn't be alive and we should continue killing and eating them because thats all they're good for.

I'm sorry but some of your more recent posts only show the low-rank education system in your state, Alice.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by a_licenwondrland

Basically anyone who disagrees with you is stupid, LeHah.

There is a certain double meaning in that statement.

Yes, anyone who disagrees with me is stupid. This is because I'm more intelligent than most people who seem to post here.

And yes, anyone who disagrees with me *is* stupid - especially if they come back to point it out that they're disagreeing with me. What does that make you?

Originally Posted by a_licenwondrland

You so predictably pull out that trump card every time, and it's getting old.

I like you. You're a nice, sweet lady who for some reason likes to come a forum full of late teen - early 20 people. I really don't have any problems with you ever aside from the once-in-a-while dumb post, which can't be helped because everyone is allowed that.

But see - you're getting old. Me? I'm becoming "distinguished" with age.

Originally Posted by a_licenwondrland

I could do a sweeping poll of five-year-olds and they'd all agree that spending this kind of money on elephants when there are much worthier causes (involving humans) is preposterous. It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.

This line of thought didn't work with Borg1982 and it won't work with you either. The thought that a group of five year olds could come up with a collective agreement that has any goddamned intellectual worth is preposterous unto it's self.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by a_licenwondrland

Given that information, do you still think this was a smart decision?

Given the option of... what exactly?

They can't live in the wild because they've lived in captivity their whole lives. And even if you wanted to do that, imagine the shipping cost ("Uh, FEDEX? I have 3 elephants that need to be sent to Africa on 2-Day Air...")

The problem is that theres really not too many options because they're old. The best bet the zoo can have is if they make this expensive new habitat have the capacity to be easily changed for other animals, so when the elephants do die off, the zoo can put the "cage" to immedeate use for other animals.

Double Post:

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

O LeHah. You have no idea what a sanctuary is, do you.

I do and while I'm aware that there are a couple sancuaries in the country, are any of them fit for elephants? Yours is a valid point - I'll see if I can find any that do fit the bill.

(And if so - why don't they just make it a fucking zoo? Why must they hog all those animals to themselves?)

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

Do you get the difference? Its like a rest home for animals.

But... I want to see them

Jam it back in, in the dark.