[General Discussion] Modern classics?

Originally Posted by Rychord

I just thought of the Demon's Souls/Dark Souls series of games, and I feel it could very well be cited as an example of a gamer's game years after Nintendo Hard was out of style.

(I haven't played Demon's Souls but) As much as I enjoy Dark Souls, its a little early to call it a classic, I think. Its a great game and I'm pleased that its a difficult grind (after leaving the asylum, how many damn times did I die because of those damned skeletons? Then I came back with a mace and IT WAS ON) and think it will stand the test of time.

Perhaps more of a classic like FFT - only those with true grit remember how difficult / rewarding it was.

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Originally Posted by Fluffykitten McSnugglepuss

What is it with you and saying FFT was difficult?

Theres a couple of battles in specific - the first against Wiegraf, the one where Wiegraf turns into a Zodiac demon, any time the game makes you fight a map of chocobos, the damn ninja fight on top of the monastery, anything where its "Protect Dumb Douchefuck" during a battle and then they charge right into the thick of it. After a certain point toward the end of the game (I'd say around where you get the option of going into the Deep Dungeons), the game takes a nosedive in difficulty, but by that time you've spent 4/5ths of your playing time on random missions grinding your forces into a fine blade.

I haven't played the War Of The Lions because, well, I still have my original PS1 disc. But the PSP version does allow you to have more party members, so that would definitely decrease the difficulty somewhat.

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Originally Posted by Nemesis Mountain

Golgorand Execution Site was a particularly nasty battle if the game refused to let you steal/break Gafgarion's sword quickly.

I never had much of a problem with that - but only because I defeated Gafgarion "normally". My friend Dave always tried to break or steal his sword and screamed like a girl when he died over and over.

(Dave screamed like a girl at a lot of games though. Especially Contra 3, the greatest thing ever invented.)

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Originally Posted by Goldfish from Hell

I'm hesitant to call it a classic due to the above

You're saying its not a classic because you're too dumb to get one of the most necessary abilities found in every FF game?

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Originally Posted by Goldfish from Hell

Sorry, I'm not psychic enough to foresee skills/items that I'm unable to go back and obtain at a certain point in time. More power to you if you were born with this skill.

Go back and re-read my post (instead of quoting a tiny portion of it) and you'll see I grudgingly and unenthusiastically DID say it was a classic, despite that design flaw.

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I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Not a Prius

Bioshock's problem was exactly that it was an FPS and not a particularly good one. There was so much shooting and no other options to interact with anything. It didn't matter if the weapon was shaped like a gun or a hand with a funky special effect on it, they all fired like guns and you groaned whenever the game threw yet another wave of enemies to kill.

Exactly this.

Also: it was just an inferior System Shock.

I'd say Half-Life 2 long before this game.

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Originally Posted by Goldfish from Hell

One game I really have to throw out is Burnout 3.

Thats a damn good choice. I should break that one out again. Crazy fun and I normally don't much like racing games aside from Wipeout.

Left 4 Dead, which someone already cited. The game its self is good - but with the right people, its amazing. I use to play that every night with Daravon and kyndig and Tails and we'd just laugh and laugh and laugh from griefing the other teams. We need to get back up on that.

Half-Life 2, though I wasn't as over the moon about it as the rest of the world, is definitely a benchmark in gaming for a number of reasons. I really, really liked the graphics engine and the look of it though.

I'd be in error not to mention Sins of a Solar Empire as probably the game I always wanted as a little kid. Gigantic fucking scale: fleets, ships, planets, systems. Its like Homeworld except writ much larger.

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Another RTS I really enjoyed was Warhammer 40000: Dawn of War. Its been a while since I've played it but it was pretty amazing to build mech units that smashed people and screamed DIE DIE DIE while blood gushed everywhere. The trick is that it may not have done anything new per se but it a lot of old things very, very right. Thats sort of damning it with faint praise but...

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