Britain's new internet law. Fanflippingtastic.

Haha, people are getting emo that they have to pay for shit again when some of us working schlubs have been doing it all along.

Nice to see entitlement take one on the chin.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Soluzar

It isn't entirely about that, though. You can be disconnected and/or fined without any proof or evidence that you were illegally filesharing.

Without knowing anything about British politics and without saying I do - its obvious that the logic here is "scare tactic". As what Soluzar said before - "You can be disconnected and/or fined without any proof or evidence that you were illegally filesharing."

Then the point is STOP FILESHARING. Its a legal idea writ large in that if YOU don't stop filesharing, you're gonna fuck someone else and what they're trying to do is punish *everyone* for something a *lot* of people are doing. What, you think going after individual people is going to stop this? You have to cut all the heads off a hydra. YOU do not have the right to steal anyone else's stuff anymore than your neighbor has the right to come into your house and steal your TV because he wants to watch a cricket match tomorrow night.

Not to mention - without knowing anything about the politics over on the other side of the pond, its obvious that the writer of that article is an idiot. He's complaining about a video game rating system, something thats been implemented in America for over a decade and then cries out for the poor people in the UK. What, you're telling me the poor people - the homeless, the ones raising three kids on a single paycheck in a small apartment, the ones who eat bread sandwiches and juice for breakfast are struggling along to make basic ends meet want Internet? Why not give them something they *need*, asshole?

Originally Posted by Krelian

legally dubious or not.

"I obey the law when it suits my needs"

Cute.

How ya doing, buddy?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Bernard Black

Lehah, where then, do you stand on musicians who have literally given the go-ahead to download their music for free?

As I see it, there are two types of people in this situation:

1.) Those Who're Already Well Off: David Bowie, Brian Eno, Trent Reznor (ugh) and other talents don't care if you download their music because they already have made their fortune. They don't need you - and yes, by you I mean *YOU* - anymore; if their band dies out or people forget they still have enough money to buy an island somewhere in the pacific. And besides, it makes them look cool with kids, right?

The real, sad truth beyond that though is that no established artist is going to say that without permission from their label. Do you realize how suicidal it would be if some band member dipshit came out and said "Steal out music"? He'd be sued out of existence by whomever owns their label. Do you really think a popular band is going to risk being dumped and then sued by some giant like Warner Bros?

2.) Those Who Haven't Made It And Won't: You in an unsigned band? You looking to make it big? You want to get known and get gigs to play? You're a dime a dozen out there, kiddo - you just want to get known before you can start cashing in and cashing out. So what do you do? Give it away, because Lord knows you don't have enough popularity to make money at this.

And to be honest? Thats fine, thats cool. If you're in some garage band and you're trying to get your name out on college radio and you send out a demo and stick stuff on the internet, whatever. More power to you.

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Originally Posted by Bernard Black

But there are others who have made it big but refuse to allow filesharing to take place because they're afraid their fanbase won't pay money for their shitty, production-line music. And there are those who are working on a more personal interface between themselves and the fans of their music, where people can pay what they deem appropriate for the music they love.

I love how you attempt to validate stealing with some impossible-to-quantify label of "Shitty". Look, everyone had a mother at some point and that mother loved their child but I guess its okay to rape people anyway, because *you* don't love them, right? Hurr hurr hurr, lets see you get out of that one, Michael Dukakis.

The people who can negotiate what fans pay for the money have the clearance from the label, not the other way around. The label sets the price because everyone from the president down to the guy who's scrubbing out the toilets on third shift need to make a living with music in some form or fashion.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Krelian

What if they were adamant about distributing their own files over protocols other than HTTP, Deni? What then?

I think you can "what if" this until we're all blue in the face - but can you give me an example of a name artist who has done that? (I am honestly at a loss)

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Krelian

Machinae Supremacy
Nine Inch Nails
Anamanaguchi
Radiohead
Devin Townsend

Notice how all of the above fall directly into one of the two sets of people I mentioned earlier...

Originally Posted by Krelian

A buddy of mine named David
Every artist who has ever licensed their material under creative commons

...And how the vauge description here is for the rest.

That said though, were they P2P? I'm talking like Napster or Kazaa or whatever it is you kids use these days.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Bernard Black

Lehah: First of all, the band I was referencing have no label to moderate such things.

Then your example is completely moot, isn't it?

Originally Posted by Bernard Black

I still agree with the consensus that filesharing is a good thing.

I'm sure you'll feign offense when I call you an idiot because you don't see that coming. And I suppose I should dance around your time-appropriate delicate sensibilities because I hold a more logical, more law abiding and forthright sense of morals? Because you blame the goddamned train that hits you when you refuse to step off the tracks and out of its way, huh?

Originally Posted by Bernard Black

And it's wonderful that you've missed the fact that the government doesn't require proof to take you down. Okay, so on GFF filesharing is a huge issue. But that a government doesn't have to give a reason for punishing you criminally? Yeah, let's just let that blow on by.

At least you didn't bring up Minority Report because then I'd have lost ALL respect for you. The problem here is very simple: You're complaining about the law when you:

1.) Haven't read it yourself and are depending upon someone else's biased article about it

2.) Have no proper experience with law or lawmaking and thus are unable to interpret this news in a detached fashion.

3.) Are refusing to apply a logical approach to it and are instead investing yourself emotionally in an attempt to make a loud enough call instead of making a smart one.

The first two apply to me too - I am not a lawyer - but I am not the third. Its obvious the law is written the way it is so the vague details can be interpreted by your government on a case by case basis. America goes through this too with people arguing over gun control and the Second Amendment.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by Krelian

You bring much to this discussion, in the form of being completely silent.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Devo

I once pirated something out of print. I feel like such an asshole.

You should

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Krelian

"They can share files if they so choose, but only if they don't share files"

You're purposely trying to perpetuate an argument by acting stupid. Stop that.

What Deni is saying is that the artists can get clearance to post for free whatever they'd like - Manowar did a goddamned Christmas song that they posted on their site for free, last year - but it was cleared by the label first. It has to be legal.

Sharing files can be legal, while file sharing by its very nature cannot be. Understand?

Originally Posted by Devo

K brb calling myself into the proper authorities.

Can we get Captain Video secret decoder rings and be BFFs?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Bernard Black

Lehah: Not really; the band in question had a label, and removed themselves from it.

Did they take the rights with them? Does the label still own something? Do we know what money goes where since the split?

Originally Posted by Bernard Black

I'll agree with your second point. I'm no lawyer either. But I have read the law in question.

Oh, so you went to Parliament and sat in on this then. Please avail me of your knowledge.

Originally Posted by Bernard Black

There is plenty of room for biased judgement to be made.

"You're a very pretty girl, so I don't mind your ignorance"

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Bernard Black

In answer to earlier points, it does seem ridiculous to me that people who can only just afford an education can't have access to the internet.

So you're *entitled* to luxuries now?

Nevermind things like health care or food or clean housing or public schooling - the INTERNET is now a god-given, national right!

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Devo

Lehah would get a Gillian Anderson bot

Oh Devo, you could never win my heart <3<3<3

Originally Posted by Bernard Black

You pay £1200 for a course and then say that, although pretty much required, the internet is a luxury.

1.) How is the internet required? I have things called BOOKS which are much, much better than a Wikipedia or whatever it is you kids use these days.

2.) If you're struggling to make ends meet because you payed amount X to get into college Y, maybe you shouldn't be in college and should be out working instead? I mean, thats kinda DUH to me but I have a couple years on you.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Bernard Black

But it's a sad fact that education has melded assignments into online activities.

That is sad - but not nearly as sad that you think you can't do those assignments by using a library, your friend's PC or any other number of things. God, how many places have free Wifi hotspots now?

Originally Posted by Bernard Black

People with limited cash are on these courses so they can get better paid jobs. See where I'm going with this?

Yes I do. And its silly. The concept that you are hurting for cash somehow gives you some kind of inalienable right to mass media access? In your country? Don't they still tax televisions and stuff? Maybe you shouldn't be in school if you can't fucking afford it in the first place.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Bernard Black

Your second, however... how is someone who isn't born of rich parents meant to pay for software that is vital to the course?

I like how you're all "I hate this law against filesharing because I want people to be able to break the law and steal" and then you complain about feeling robbed over the price of music software.

Originally Posted by Bernard Black

Are you saying that education is only for the rich?

Yes, thats exactly what I mean. What do you do, go down to the grocery store and buy £12000 worth of food and then say "Sorry I only have £10" and walk off thinking you paid your debt?

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Thats the best post of this thread, Devo

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Originally Posted by Bernard Black

...There is bias towards people who can afford better equipment, and no kind of monetary aid to those who don't have that option.

Oh good, you're Nikita Khrushchev now. Let me know when your Berlin Wall falls, girl.

Originally Posted by Bernard Black

How else are people meant to better themselves, move further in society, other than through education? It's the only feasible way to get a decent job these days. Those are some great first-world ethics you've got.

Wow. How old are you again? FURTHER SOCIETY? Is this an episode of Star Trek? Are you written by Ted Sturgeon?

I mean, the naivety is fucking glowing here. I honestly think we've come to a true and blue impasse based on your lack of real-world experience.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

The Daily Mash - FILE-SHARE CRACKDOWN 'BREACHES FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT TO STEAL'

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Lehah posting in another thread where he's smarter, richer, and better looking than everyone. This is new.

WAY TO JUMP IN WITH THAT SEVERAL MONTHS LATE

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?