lincoln, a great man?

That website linked above makes Liberterians look bad. I mean - can you really take that crap about Lincoln seriously if its the same "webzine" that runs "The film WALL-E blatantly conveys environmentalist, anti-capitalist, anti-technological propaganda. But I will concentrate on a much more egregious error made by its creators—an error made in ignorance of basic economics and of commonsense insights regarding the nature of human behaviors."

To quote a great show before our time - "Veeeeeery in-ter-es-tink - but STOOPID"

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Janus X

I'M not from the US, so my history books barely talk about your ivil War.

I don't imply he's a scholarly source - although the knows about history - but he did show lincoln's motive.

So wait.

You admit to knowing nothing about our Civil War - yet you think he knows something about history? What do you base your opinion on? You have no credible sources and nothing in which to bounce off this guy's rambling. So its safe to say you're simply ignorant and this guy has something shiny and angry to sell you on the cheap.

The fact that he can say something you don't know does not make him intelligent. I can tell you tons of things about the American Civil War - my father is obsessed with that time period - but telling you such things doesn't mean I'm a scholar on the subject. I would suggest that I'd be a much bigger shoo-in for the title of scholar than this guy ever will be, and that should say a lot.

Long and short - this guy is an idiot and you're a bigger one for listening to him. And you can take that to the bank, buckko.

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Originally Posted by Bradylama

Democrats were the racist party, though.

The irony was lost on every American that the democrats backed a *black* nominee.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Tiqulone

The irony is Under a republican Africa has recieved more AIDS help from the US than under any other president. Also black home ownership is up to levels never seen before under a republican president.

You... obviously don't understand the word "irony" if you're following our posts.

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Originally Posted by Tiqulone

There is also counter claims by groups saying that Bush has not done a thing to help.

As opposed to all the aide we've given them in the past - which has culminated to them needing more of it, and where upon we stop assissting. Then its easy for them to piss and moan and say LOOK WHAT HAPPENS - but they're just looking for help instead of helping themselves.

Originally Posted by Tiqulone

Condoms don't do much for the person if they are already infected and not educated enough to know how condoms can help.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Tiqulone

A few things not covered in high school level history is freed blacks were allowed to own slaves and did so in great numbers. The main problem is people either unable to fit parts of history in their new age political correct world or want to leave out what they can't explain.

You're really dumb, you know that?

A long while back, I got into a pissing match with a friend over the then-new War In Iraq. She was beating her chest, demanding restitutions to the civilians in the area who had limbs blown off, who had builings burned down - and was screaming that the press was in the pocket of the government. That we weren't seeing the war as it was! That we were being fed *lies* and *disinformation* by mass media! That children and cats and dogs and hampsters were having limbs blown off in firefights!

She stopped talking to me when I pointed out that the only way she could know that there was disinformation about war injuries - was because she was seeing war injuries on CNN, in the first place.

This is exactly the same thing. You piss and moan about people being fed lies and garbage and under-education - yet here you are saying these things, meaning... people must know about these things! Stop trying to be clever, those of us who use THE MIGHTY POWER OF CRITICAL THINKING have gone beyond your apparent capacity to understand the matter at hand.

Originally Posted by Meth

Have you seen any of his other threads?

Yeah, the guy ain't exactly bright. Or talented. Or worthy of holding my used toilet paper.

But once in a while you NEED these people in a community. They're so dull, all you do is throw a little water on them and then use them to sharpen your arguement knife. I dont know about you but it keeps me sharp, on the edge.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Tiqulone

What I object to is when people judge history by today's standards.

Leave and never come back. Its for your own safety. You'll be eaten alive on this board with this kinda of nonsense.

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Originally Posted by SpaceMonk

Over the years through primary, high school, and college, the history is usually tailored in a way to avoid the negative view of Lincoln. For me, Lincoln was great for what he did for the country but also horrible (understated) for what he didn't do.

I'm going to tell you why you're an idiot and its for very obvious reasons. So obvious, that I expect you to be Shivley or some other dickless fuckbag.

The first thing is that Lincoln - first and foremost - was an elected politician. He had to get up and say certain things that were "expected" of him. That is - if he were to get up in front of people during a debate and say BLACKS ARE EQUAL IN EVERY WAY he'd have been viewed as no better than John Brown. No one, and I mean no one, gets up and demands sociological reformations of that calibur and expect to remain in office or ever be taken seriously again.

Even if Lincoln wanted to free the slaves and make them equal to Whites - he knew it couldn't happen. This is *exactly* what he means when he mentions "I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which will ever forbid the two races living together in terms of social and political equality". It wasn't that he didn't want Blacks to be equal - its that he knew it can't happen because people are people and people are prejudiced in everything they do.

To this day - in terms of social status - blacks *still* are not equal to whites in many ways. Yes, you have both races on either side of the poverty line, but which one stereotypically lives in the ghettos and the poorer sections?

Lincoln, in his incredible wisdom, realized that change was a gradual, slow process. America was a struggling nation and to remove the slaves from the South would create an economical disaster, moral implications or not. Looking back, we can see that Lincoln realized that he had to be very careful in the balancing act between what he could do and what he'd be damned for. For that, he did an outstanding job.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Bradylama

Trying to think of Lincoln a secret darkie lover tries to ignore the fact that he was human and a product of his times. Even John Brown, for all his admirable qualities was nonetheless a murderer. The fact that these people could do so much good despite being so seriously flawed is what I feel makes them great.

I didn't mean to insinuate (though, by my wording, I can see how that is read) that Lincoln liked black people in the way you detail. I meant to say that Lincoln wasn't dumb enough to back that play.

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